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Hello, folks.

I had an idea for a simple game that would solve a problem of choosing the right movie for people to watch when they come over to my house, while boosting their commitment to show up at the same time.

Moviepicker Rules (made up 15 minutes ago)

Everyone considering going to the movie-watching event participates as a "player". A conversation is had to communicate player choices over email, a forum, or maybe just talking to each other.

The host of the event starts by choosing a movie he would like to see at the event. The next player (some arbitrary order is picked) can either remove that movie or add another one to the list. Each player then continues by either adding a movie or removing a movie from the list. If a movie has been removed, the same movie may not be added to the list again. As a player, your motivation is to see a movie you will like and not end up watching something you won't like. You may mix in some Enlightened Self-Interest in trying to pick movies that others will enjoy, but nobody should be guilted into playing altruistically--the game is designed to work best when people are being honest about their preferences.

Movie choices are added and removed like this until it is the host's turn and he has already had three previous turns. At this point, the host and players can only remove movies on their turn, and turns continue until there is just one movie left. The last movie remaining is the one that will be shown.

New people can join at any time, they are just put at the end of the list of players. People can leave at any time too.

Would anyone like to test this game out with me here on the forum?

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First. Yes.
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Awesome. I'll start.

I choose Human Centipede 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530509/ ).

Lamkin, you can either remove that movie from the list if you don't like it, or add a new one. Your choice.

After you, someone else can join in by either adding or removing a movie.

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Adding Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
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Alright, I'll wait until tomorrow to take my turn and start the second time around. In the mean time, if someone else would like to try it, just announce either an add or a remove.

The current list is:
Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Human Centipede 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530509/ ).

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I'm removing Human Centipede 2 because WTF mate, even for a joke entry that's bollocks.

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Adding Man on the Moon

Human Centipede 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530509/ ).
Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).

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Adding Inception, because I'd like to see that again.

Human Centipede 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530509/ ).
Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).

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I really did want to see Human Centipede 2, but I guess my choice is just not a crowdpleaser.

Okay, the other choices look inoffensive so I will add instead of remove. Adding Immortals.


Human Centipede 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530509/ ).
Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Immortals ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253864/ ).

Anybody can add/remove now in any order, just don't go twice before my next choice is made. Newcomers can take a turn as well.

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Adding Night of the Living Dead.

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Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Immortals ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253864/ ).
Night of the Living Dead ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/ ).

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Adding Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.

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Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Immortals ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253864/ ).
Night of the Living Dead ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/ ).
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446029/ ).

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the game is designed to work best when people are being honest about their preferences.
No voting system is immune to strategic voting, but the openness of this one makes me wonder if it's too easy.

For instance, suppose I'd be kind of OK with Man on the Moon--of the things on the list, it's somewhere in the middle for me--but I'm afraid that everyone else wants to see it. I might strike that one off the list rather than striking off my bottom choice, on the grounds that someone else will probably take care of the other things I don't like, but I can use my veto power to eliminate something that, under most voting systems, would probably win.

Similarly, suppose we're near the end and I'm faced with a list consisting of A, B, and C. My preference is A > B > C, and I know the next person's preference is B > A > C. In a "purely honest" vote, I'd strike off C as its the one I want to see least; the next person would then pick B over A, and B would win. But if I'm right about their preferences, I should strike off B--it's not my least favorite, but striking that guarantees a win for A.

I mean, I'm interested to see how this'll play out, but I think what you've got here conflates two different systems--a strategy game and a voting method--and I think it works much better as the former than the latter. (To that end, I'd actually love it if, once the game is over, everyone who participated would post and/or PM me a ranked preference list of all the movies suggested, to see how closely the game-winning movie corresponds to the group's movie preference.)
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Adding Dark City

Human Centipede 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530509/ ).
Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Immortals ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253864/ ).
Night of the Living Dead ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/ ).
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446029/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ ).

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Removing Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, because I like my movies to have at least one sympathetic character.

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Adding The Princess Bride

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Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Immortals ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253864/ ).
Night of the Living Dead ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/ ).
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446029/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
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Adding Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Immortals ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253864/ ).
Night of the Living Dead ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )

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Removing Immortals. I saw it and it was so mediocre. I don't want to inflict it on anyone

One more round and then we will go to elimination options only.

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Removing Night of the Living Dead. Saw that before and while it has great historical value, it wasn't something I'd really want to watch again. There are better zombie-type movies.

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )

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Adding V for Vendetta. I plain love the film, especially the fireworks ;).

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )

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Adding American Psycho, because it contains such kawaii sugoi makeover love time~!~!

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Adding the Last Unicorn. I just read the book, and it's been years since I've seen the movie. As a side note, how are we going to evaluate how well this process worked?

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )
American Psycho ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/ )
The Last Unicorn ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084237/ )

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Adding American Psycho 2, because Mila Kunis.

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )
American Psycho ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/ )
The Last Unicorn ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084237/ )
American Psycho 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283877/ )

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Adding the Last Unicorn. I just read the book, and it's been years since I've seen the movie. As a side note, how are we going to evaluate how well this process worked?
See my post above for one way to do it. (I've spent some time recently looking into various ways of tabulating ballots that express preferences, so I've got a script that'll run through several of them so the results can be compared.)


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Since we got rid of the other zombie movie, adding Zombieland.

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Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )
American Psycho ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/ )
The Last Unicorn ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084237/ )
American Psycho 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283877/ )
Zombieland ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1156398/ )

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(I've spent some time recently looking into various ways of tabulating ballots that express preferences, so I've got a script that'll run through several of them so the results can be compared.)



I'm not sure that a simple ordering of our preferences is going to capture all the important information here. For example, suppose you and I both rank the movies from most to least preferred A > B > C > D. However, I'm totally willing to watch D, (it's just that I'd rather watch A) but you aren't even willing to watch B (let alone C or D) and will bolt if we pick anything except A. Mind you, such a person is more than welcome to NOT come to any movie night hosted by me. But the larger point here is that the process ought to, in some sense, minimize the chances that such a person opts out, but your evaluation method isn't really going to capture that idea.

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Okay, from here on out, people taking turns can only REMOVE items.

I will not be watching The Last Unicorn, thank you very much.

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )
American Psycho ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/ )
American Psycho 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283877/ )
Zombieland ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1156398/ )

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Re: "As a side note, how are we going to evaluate how well this process worked?"

We could take a poll at the end. Something like, " In the context of going to a viewing party hosted at a friend's house, what would your reaction to the selected movie be?"

* I would not watch it.
* I'd watch it, but I feel neutral/apathetic about it.
* I'm looking forward to watching it.
* I really want to see it.

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No to Zombieland, I don't like zombies, I can't get them to be quiet in my cellar.

Inglourious Basterds ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/ ).
Man on the Moon ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/ ).
Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )
American Psycho ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/ )
American Psycho 2 ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283877/ )

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Honestly, my approach is generally "Hey guys, I'm watching 'A' tonight, would you like to join me?"

Removing American Psycho 2

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Inception ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/ ).
Dark City ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/ )
The Princess Bride ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/ )
Rise of the Planet of the Apes ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/ )
V for Vendetta ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ )
American Psycho ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/ )

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stigant wrote:
I'm not sure that a simple ordering of our preferences is going to capture all the important information here. For example, suppose you and I both rank the movies from most to least preferred A > B > C > D. However, I'm totally willing to watch D, (it's just that I'd rather watch A) but you aren't even willing to watch B (let alone C or D) and will bolt if we pick anything except A. Mind you, such a person is more than welcome to NOT come to any movie night hosted by me. But the larger point here is that the process ought to, in some sense, minimize the chances that such a person opts out, but your evaluation method isn't really going to capture that idea.
But that's going to be an inevitable problem in any voting system. Suppose we extend "you...will bolt if we pick anything except A" to "Person X will bolt if we pick anything except A; person Y will bolt if we pick anything except B". Clearly now there isn't any system at all that could possibly pick something that's satisfactory to everyone. The best any system is going to do is pick a winner that's as preferred as possible to as many people as possible.
11-22-2011 at 07:15 PM
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