Announcement: Be excellent to each other.


Caravel Forum : DROD Boards : Challenges : Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges
New Topic New Poll Post Reply
Poster Message
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged
icon Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (+1)  
In this thread, I'll post challenges involving the decoy slider puzzles, specifically, the minimum number of decoys you need to use to solve them. Updated as I get through this hold. I've already made sure these are possible.

Goblin Woods : 1 North
4 Given, 4 Required

Long Path : 8 South
7 Given, 7 Required

Challenge!

Underground Lake : 1 West
11 Given, beat it using 9 decoys

Challenge!

Tunnel Network : 1 East
8 Given, beat it using 7 decoys

Challenge!

Lava Land : 4 South, 1 East
22 Given, beat it using 18 decoys (solution gotten from TripleM)

Lava Land : 3 South, 3 West
9 Given, 9 Required

If anyone can PM me if there are other decoy slider puzzles and how they look like, I'll be sure to include them here too.

[Last edited by vinheim at 11-15-2010 07:42 AM]
11-13-2010 at 05:01 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
TripleM
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 1379
Registered: 02-05-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
Lava Land: 4S1E can be done with 18 decoys.
11-13-2010 at 07:17 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
Really!? There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with my code. Does it involve not stepping on all the plates? I don't know which plates open which doors.
11-13-2010 at 07:27 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
TripleM
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 1379
Registered: 02-05-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
Nope, nothing special. My program gave 18 and I have a demo agreeing :)
11-13-2010 at 07:27 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged

File: decoy slider solver code.docx (18.9 KB)
Downloaded 55 times.
License: Public Domain
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
I'm gonna re-run my program and see if I missed it. The listbox the results were on had small font so that could be possible. Just in case anyone can check, I've uploaded the code.
11-13-2010 at 07:38 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged

File: Decoy Slider Solver Example.png (703 KB)
Downloaded 56 times.
License: Public Domain
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
Attached is the GUI so you can link the object names with it.
11-13-2010 at 07:42 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
I see the problem. Following your solution, your last decoy did not kill another decoy. My program places a decoy ONLY if it kills another decoy, even if it's the last decoy to be placed. This was due to the other decoy slider puzzles. An extra if command should solve this.

Anyways, I'm going to continue this. Even though optimizers have probably already done this, a list of this stuff would be nice.

Btw, yes or no, are there more decoy slider puzzles? I quite enjoy them.

[Last edited by vinheim at 11-13-2010 08:12 AM]
11-13-2010 at 08:06 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
I made some additional code and found out that for Underground Lake and Tunnel Network, using the least amount of decoys is more efficient. However, using 19 decoys is more efficient than using 18 for Lava Land as the 3 distinct solutions for 18 potions use up 37+x, 39+x, and 43+x sword swings. One of the solutions for 19 uses up 29 sword swings. Making 2 extra moves to get a potion will be more efficient for this room. The "x" is an unknown amount of sword swings for the last decoy cause I did not calculate how many sword swings it would take to make sure its sword does not kill another decoy on a plate. I only calculated this for the 19 solution one.

By the way, the sequence is in the secreted tags. It's the most efficient of all its rotational forms, as it finishes West which is the direction you'll be killing the brain:
Click here to view the secret text

People probably have already figured it out, but I felt like putting it out there.

[Last edited by vinheim at 11-14-2010 04:55 AM]
11-14-2010 at 04:41 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Kallor
Level: Master Delver
Rank Points: 277
Registered: 04-02-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
There should be another one in Lava Land if I remember correctly.

- Kallor

____________________________
Kallor
11-14-2010 at 10:14 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
Found the other (?) decoy slider puzzle in lava land, but it requires all 8 decoys, and isn't really in the same style as the rest (the ones with the rock giant on top right?)

If that's not it, I'll keep searching. Btw, invisible tar makes it so easy to find secrets here :P
11-15-2010 at 01:08 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
vinheim
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 300
Registered: 05-31-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges (0)  
Nope, I've found it, I'll post the solution once I'm done with it.
11-15-2010 at 07:24 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
New Topic New Poll Post Reply
Caravel Forum : DROD Boards : Challenges : Gigantic Jewel Lost: Decoy Slider Challenges
Surf To:


Forum Rules:
Can I post a new topic? No
Can I reply? No
Can I read? Yes
HTML Enabled? No
UBBC Enabled? Yes
Words Filter Enable? No

Contact Us | CaravelGames.com

Powered by: tForum tForumHacks Edition b0.98.9
Originally created by Toan Huynh (Copyright © 2000)
Enhanced by the tForumHacks team and the Caravel team.