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Let's play Zendo with images from the DROD level editor!

(Note: I have obtained permission from mrimer to post images from the editor in this forum for this game. You get to do that too as part of playing the game.)

What's Zendo?

Zendo is a game about logic, and observation. The full rules of Zendo are not suited to play over an online forum, but we can play a simpler version of it no problem.

How it works: Zendo is a game about koans, which in this case are cropped screenshots from the DROD level editor. Some koans have the Buddha-nature, and some do not have the Buddha-nature. The Master knows the secret rule that determines whether a koan has the Buddha-nature or not. The players of the game try to identify the secret rule.

Initially, I will show you two koans, one of which has the Buddha-nature and one of which does not (I say which is which). Post in this thread to do either of two things:

1) Post a koan of your own and ask, "Master, does this koan have the Buddha-nature?" (You don't have to ask in those terms if you prefer not to.) I will tell you whether or not your koan has the Buddha-nature, and I will add it to the OP. (You should use a suitable imagehost to host your koan.)

2) Make a guess as to the secret rule. If your guess is correct, you have achieved enlightenment. (The game is a race to identify the secret rule. You are not required to put your guess in spoilers, although I guess you can if you really want to.)

If you make an incorrect guess, I will post a koan that disproves your guess - that is, I will post a koan that has the Buddha-nature even though your rule says it should not, or that does not have the Buddha-nature even though your rule says it should.

If I think the rule that you guessed is ambiguous, I may ask questions to clarify what precisely your rule is before I respond.

Additional rules:

- You cannot ask for two koans to be marked ([1] above) in sequence. After asking one you must wait for another person to have asked, before you ask another.

- After making a guess as to the rule ([2] above), you must wait for another two people to make a guess, before you ask another.

Rules that restrict what can and what cannot be the secret rule:

The "Spock rule" states that it must be possible to determine whether a koan has the Buddha-nature simply by looking at the koan with one's eyes. The rule says that you can't come up with a secret rule that requires meta-information about the koan that can't be discerned just by looking at it. Essentially, it says that the secret rule must be "fair".

The following are examples of secret rules that would comply with the Spock Rule:

- The koan contains at least two Wraithwings.
- The koan contains a Slayer standing next to an orb.
- The koan shows a square area of the room.
- The koan does not contain any Wubbas.

The following are examples of secret rules that would not comply with the Spock Rule:

- The koan is hosted at an imagehost whose name begins with "i".
- The koan was first posted between 15 and 45 minutes past the hour, on a weekday.
- Let n be the number of koans that were posted before the koan in question. Then n+1 is not a prime number.

OK! Let's play Zendo!

The following koans have the Buddha-nature:



(brian_s)

(response to guess by hyperme)

The following koans do not have the Buddha-nature:



(response to guess by PMIT)

(response to guess by Timo006)

(noma)

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10-08-2010 at 08:28 PM
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Does the attached koan have the Buddha-nature?
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Does the attached koan have the Buddha-nature?

Yes, it does.
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Is the secret rule 'two evil eyes must face each other'?

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Is the secret rule 'two evil eyes must face each other'?


Unfortunately, you are not yet enlightened.

This koan does not have the Buddha nature, although it contains two Evil Eyes facing one another:


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Is the secret rule 'two gel babies must be present'?

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Is the secret rule 'two gel babies must be present'?


Unfortunately, you are not yet enlightened.

This koan does not have the Buddha-nature, although it contains two Gel Babies:


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Master does this koan have the Buddha nature?



No, it does not.
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Is the secret rule 'Two Gel babies and a Tar baby must be present'?

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Is the secret rule 'Two Gel babies and a Tar baby must be present'?


You are not yet enlightened.

This koan has the Buddha-nature, but it contains only one Gel Baby and no Tar Babies:


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This guess deleted with permission from Hammerite

EDIT: damn, didn't realize that Noma's post didn't count as a guess

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I'm afraid you aren't allowed to make a guess until one more person has made a guess. (After making a guess, you have to wait for two others to guess before you can guess again, as stated in the OP.) So I can't respond to this.
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I saw Tim's guess before it was retracted. Am I allowed to use that as my guess?
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I saw Tim's guess before it was retracted. Am I allowed to use that as my guess?


According to the rules of the game, you can do that.
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Is the rule "There must be two tarstuff babies (tar, mud, or gel) facing the same direction?"
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Is the rule "There must be two tarstuff babies (tar, mud, or gel) facing the same direction?"


This is the correct answer! You are the winner. Although Timo006 came up with the same idea, so he too is enlightened.

Since you won the game, if you want, you can start a new game as the master. If you do, I suggest posting a new thread, since then you can edit the OP.
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Master does this koan have the Buddha nature?




No, it does not.
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