brian_s
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'Too Much Greed Kills' is an elimination game I came up with.

Each round starts with each competitor sending me a PM with a number 1-100. When I recieve everybody's PMs then I will make a list from highest to lowest. The people in the top half will earn points, with the top person earning the most. But that top person is also the person who is eliminated. To earn the most points, a player needs to stay in the top half without getting eliminated for being the top player.

A payout schedule for a round with eight people would be: Top=8 points; 2nd=3; 3rd=2; 4th=1.

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The game has begun with 15 players.

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blorx1
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This sounds interesting, I'll play.

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I like this idea. I'll play.

Jatopian
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sure why not

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Snacko
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Sure, sounds fun.

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Chaco
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This sounds like a straightforward yet interesting psychological experiment.

I'll play. Just don't expect me to come up with a Winning Strategy or anything like that.

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The Stew Boy
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I'll play.

TripleM
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I'll be #7.

Rheb
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I'm in too

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UrAvgAzn
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I'll play too.

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So is the objective to score the most points? Or to be the last person standing?

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brian_s
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Ten people already! This looks like it will be good. But I will wait until tomorrow to close entries and start round 1, in case a few more people want to try.

RoboBob - The objective is to score points, but as a side effect of the rules, the people who stay in longer are likely to earn more points than the people who cash out early with bigger payouts.

If anybody else has questions, please ask. I want to try to address them before starting the game.

blorx1
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If the number of plyers is odd how does "top half" work?
Also how do you calculate what scores will be given to what place for numbers of players other than eight?

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brian_s
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The payout table I plan on using is:

     Number of players in round
   |12|11|10| 9| 8| 7| 6| 5| 4| 3
---+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--
1st|12|11|10| 9| 8| 7| 6| 5| 4| 0
2nd| 4| 3| 3| 3| 3| 3| 3| 2| 3| 5
3rd| 3| 3| 3| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 0| 0
4th| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 1| 0| 0| 0| -
5th| 1| 1| 1| 1| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -
6th| 1| 1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -| -
7+ | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -| -| -

Someone Else
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Why does first when there are three people in the round get zero?
Also, what if two people tie? I assume they both get the average of the two positions, and if one of the positions is first, they're both out.

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To clarify, the first person is eliminated from all the next rounds, but keeps their points, and still might win the entire game if they have the most points in the end, am I right?

I'll play, by the way.

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Count me in!

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I'm interested. What would happen if a large proportion of the players happened to pick, say 50, thus being unable to make a clear distinction between the top and button half? Or if more than one person picks the top number?

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Someone Else - "Why does first when there are three people in the round get zero?"
Three players is the last round and to keep the bidding competitive, I put all the points in the middle. I can change that if need be.

Maurog - "To clarify, the first person is eliminated from all the next rounds, but keeps their points, and still might win the entire game if they have the most points in the end, am I right?"
Yes, that is correct.

Breaking Ties: If two or three people tie for a rank and the rank is lower than first, then the tie is broken by submission time, earlier is higher.
If there is a tie for first, or a large number of people tie for the same rank, I may do a runoff. If anyone has a more elegant suggestion, please speak up.

The Player List so far (13):
blorx1
Someone Else
Jatopian
Snacko
Chaco
The Stew Boy
TripleM
Rheb
UrAvgAzn
RoboBob3000
Maurog
Bombadil
NiroZ

RoboBob3000, you asked a question but did not say you are in. I assume you are. If anyone else wants in, I will leave entries open until later today, 1:00 or so (4 hours from now)

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I'll play.

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#15!

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brian_s wrote:
RoboBob3000, you asked a question but did not say you are in. I assume you are.

A fair assumption! Count me in.

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15 people! Lets get this game started! I need each of you to send me a PM with the title Greed Round 1. In the body, you need to give me a number 1-150. That is the number I will use to determine your placing in the round. I also need you to choose rock, paper, or scissors. That is the preliminary tie-breaker.

The participants:
blorx1
Someone Else
Jatopian
Snacko
Chaco
The Stew Boy
TripleM
Rheb
UrAvgAzn
RoboBob3000
Maurog
Bombadil
NiroZ
Lamkin
12th Archivist

Revised Distribution Table:

        Number of players in round
   |15|14|13|12|11|10| 9| 8| 7| 6| 5| 4| 3
---+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--
1st|15|14|13|12|11|10| 9| 8| 7| 6| 5| 4| 0
2nd| 4| 4| 4| 4| 3| 3| 3| 3| 3| 3| 2| 3| 5
3rd| 3| 3| 3| 3| 3| 3| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 0| 0
4th| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 2| 1| 0| 0| 0| -
5th| 2| 2| 1| 1| 1| 1| 1| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -
6th| 1| 1| 1| 1| 1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -| -
7th| 1| 1| 1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -| -| -
8th| 1| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| -| -| -| -| -

brian_s
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Still waiting on three people, I sent reminder PMs. For this first round I want everybody to get their own submission in. In future rounds I may use a weighted RNG to decide for tardy players.

brian_s
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I got everybody's PMs. Points are awarded as follows:

Player         Pts
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Bombadil        15
12th Archivist   4
RoboBob3000      3
UrAvgAzn         2
Maurog           2
Lamkin           1
Jatopian         1
Someone Else     1
The Stew Boy     0
Chaco            0
blorx1           0
Rheb             0
Snacko           0
TripleM          0
NiroZ            0

Bombadil leaves early by choosing to bid the maximum 150! The cutoff to recieve points turned out to be 96, submitted by Someone Else. There was only one tie between UrAvgAzn and Maurog, who got two points each anyways.

This round went smoothly, so we can start Round 2. Same as before, the 14 active players will send a PM with Greed Round 2 as the title and the body needs a number 1-140 and one of rock, paper, or scissors.

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Oh. I was expecting we'd see the last round picks, which would make strategy a lot more interesting. We're not doing that?

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TripleM wrote:
Oh. I was expecting we'd see the last round picks, which would make strategy a lot more interesting. We're not doing that?

I was thinking about posting that info, and since you asked here it is:

Player         Num Pts
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Bombadil       150 15
12th Archivist 142  4
RoboBob3000    135  3
UrAvgAzn       129  2
Maurog         129  2
Lamkin         103  1
Jatopian        97  1
Someone Else    96  1
The Stew Boy    90  0
Chaco           83  0
blorx1          77  0
Rheb            73  0
Snacko          70  0
TripleM         15  0
NiroZ            2  0

With this new information available anybody who wants to change their current submission may do so. I will take your last submission as official.

UrAvgAzn
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Ugh, this game just got a lot more tactical.

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brian_s
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I got everybody's submissions for round 2.

Player         Num Pts
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UrAvgAzn       138 14
Jatopian       130  4
Maurog         129  3
TripleM        125  2
Rheb           124  2
RoboBob3000    124  1
Lamkin         122  1
Snacko         121  0
The Stew Boy   120  0
Chaco          115  0
blorx1         113  0
Someone Else    95  0
12th Archivist  15  0
NiroZ            2  0

UrAvgAzn takes 14 points and joins Bombadil on the sidelines. This time the threshhold for points went up to 122 (of 140), but still only one tie. Rheb and Robobob tied and both chose paper. I used the secondary tiebreaker of submission timestamp to break the tie.

Point standings are now at

Player         Pts
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UrAvgAzn        16
Bombadil        15
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Jatopian         5
Maurog           5
12th Archivist   4
RoboBob3000      4
Lamkin           2
Rheb             2
TripleM          2
Someone Else     1
The Stew Boy     0
Chaco            0
blorx1           0
Snacko           0
NiroZ            0

Round 3 is now under way. Just like previous rounds, send a PM titled Greed Round 3 and in the contents: a number 1-130 and one of rock/paper/scissors.

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Round 3 results are in and the scoring range is very tight.

Player         Num Pts
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Someone Else   128 13 
Lamkin         122  4
Rheb           122  3
Snacko         122  2
Chaco          121  1
blorx1         121  1
TripleM        119  1
The Stew Boy   119  0
RoboBob3000    118  0
Maurog         118  0
Jatopian       101  0
12th Archivist  68  0
NiroZ           20  0

9 of 13 people are all bunched up in a very small range. The tie between TripleM and The Stew Boy was broken by submission time. The three way tie between Lamkin, Rheb, and Snacko was decided first by Snacko's paper losing to Lamkin and Rheb's scissors. Lamkin beat out Rheb by submission time. And Someone Else is the third person eliminated.

Current Standings:
Round 3        Pts
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UrAvgAzn        16
Bombadil        15
Someone Else    14
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Lamkin           6
Jatopian         5
Maurog           5
Rheb             5
12th Archivist   4
RoboBob3000      4
TripleM          3
Snacko           2
Chaco            1
blorx1           1
The Stew Boy     0
NiroZ            0

Round 4 is NOT being started immediately. I am leaving tomorrow open if anyone has comments or questions they want to ask. I also want to devise a new tiebreaker system, as I expect more ties in the next few rounds.