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So, I'm wrong, except for the fact I'm right.

Check.
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Banjooie wrote:
remember, the square root of four is positive or negative two. :D

sqrt(4)=2.

x^2=4 ==> x = +-2

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In elliptic geometry the lines "curve toward" each other and eventually intersect.

Twice actually. Also, don't forget to mention, that line in elliptic geometry is only a line if its length is equal to equator's. If you don't point that, I can actually draw two parallel 'lines', one smaller than the other and claim that they are indeed elliptic geometry's lines.

Show me a photo of -3 cats.
This is actually easy:
Let's assume I borrowed three cats from a friend, and this is a photo of them (found via images.google). What you see here are -3 cats, as long as you remember that they are not mine.

Don't take it too seriously.

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skell wrote:
Show me a photo of -3 cats.
This is actually easy:
Let's assume I borrowed three cats from a friend, and this is a photo of them (found via images.google). What you see here are -3 cats, as long as you remember that they are not mine.

Don't take it too seriously.

Just for clarification, your logic here is that the photo is a reminder of a debt of 3 cats?

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Sillyman wrote:
Just for clarification, your logic here is that the photo is a reminder of a debt of 3 cats?

I think you are terribly mistaken.

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My little list of these sorts of things. Yes, I have finally jumped on the ban wagon and done one of these.

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lopsidation wrote:
Here's a great one using calculus:

The derivative of x^2 is 2x.
But x^2 can also be written x+x+x+x+x... x times.
Taking the derivative of x+x+x+x+x... x times gives 1+1+1+1+1... x times.
1+1+1+1+1... x times is, of course, equal to x.
So the derivative of x^2 is x.
Thus, x=2x.
Letting x=1, this becomes 1=2. QED.

There's a simple explanation for why this doesn't work, but the real reason is much, much deeper.
I'm not quite sure why this doesn't work, but I think it might be either the second or third line. What happens when you use real numbers?
Let x = 2.
Then, d/dx (x^2) = 2x.
x^2 = x*x = 2*x (or x + x), replacing one x by 2.
d/dx (2*x) = d/dx (x^2) = 2.
2 = 2x
x = 1, contradicting x = 2.

Now, I'm assuming that you can't do the third line here? It's the only line that might not make sense. I'm guessing that if you replace an unknown with some arbitrary number, without replacing the rest, the equation becomes invalid - the '2' here is still technically an 'x', and so what we're really writing is d/dx (x*x) = x.
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My little list of these sorts of things. Yes, I have finally jumped on the ban wagon and done one of these.
Again i get modded down for no good reason. Correct me if im wrong but this thread is for obvious but weird maths problems?

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Samuel wrote:
Samuel wrote:
My little list of these sorts of things. Yes, I have finally jumped on the ban wagon and done one of these.
Again i get modded down for no good reason. Correct me if im wrong but this thread is for obvious but weird maths problems?

So is 'My little list of these sorts of things. Yes, I have finally jumped on the ban wagon and done one of these.' meant to be an obvious but weird maths problem or am I missing something?
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My guess is Samuel simply forgot to include the attachment that was meant to accompany his post.

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lopsidation wrote:
Here's a great one using calculus:

The derivative of x^2 is 2x.
But x^2 can also be written x+x+x+x+x... x times.
Taking the derivative of x+x+x+x+x... x times gives 1+1+1+1+1... x times.
1+1+1+1+1... x times is, of course, equal to x.
So the derivative of x^2 is x.
Thus, x=2x.
Letting x=1, this becomes 1=2. QED.

There's a simple explanation for why this doesn't work, but the real reason is much, much deeper.
I'm not quite sure why this doesn't work.
It's relatively simple, actually. Remember that the derivative of f(x) is the rate of change, i.e. the ratio of how much f(x) is changing compared to how much x is changing. Now, it's true that x^2 = x + x ... + x, but when we look at how x + x ... + x is changing, we have to remember that the value of x and the number of x's in the sum are both changing. The third step ignores this; in effect it rewrites x^2 = x + x ... + x as xy = x + x ... + x where x and y just happen to be the same.

Another way of putting it -- the derivative of (x + x ... + x) (x times) simply is not (1 + 1 ... + 1) (x times), and there's no reason why it should be, since this cannot be derived from the standard laws of calculus; you can't just ignore the fact that the x in "x times" is the variable you're differentiating with respect to.

I'm not sure what was meant by the "real reason" that goes deeper than this.

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Samuel wrote:
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My little list of these sorts of things. Yes, I have finally jumped on the ban wagon and done one of these.
Again i get modded down for no good reason. Correct me if im wrong but this thread is for obvious but weird maths problems?
This thread is more for discussing ways that one is equal to two. Did you forget to include an attachment?

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I forgot to include the attachment :fun

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Did you forget to include the attachment again? :P ;)

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No, I attached it! Does trying to attach something of a USB usually not work or something?

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Samuel wrote:
No, I attached it! Does trying to attach something of a USB usually not work or something?
Did you hit the "Preview" button before sending your reply? If you do that, any attachment you had set will disappear since a web browser can't specify a file in a file upload control for security reasons.

If you want to preview, make sure you use your browser's "back" button to go back to the original "Post a Message" page, then hit "Send Reply" there.

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Nope, I never press the preview button. Try it now...

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There is a size limit to attatchments. I think it's 10MB. Perhaps you are trying to attatch a file that's too large?
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somehow I doubt he has a 10mb text file. And besides, it would have just got stuck uploading, and he wouldn't have posted the message.
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