noma
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kie... come to the Tar side.

Dischorran
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I would be honored to have larrymurk join me in coordinating the mud.

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kie
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I pick Lamkin to join the Tar Technicians


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larrymurk
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Someone Else

is now MUD!

Lamkin
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And for my first trick—I'll turn wetssandwaters into Tar!

Someone Else
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Dex Stewart, join the Mud Coordinators!

zwetschenwasser
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I call upon 12th Archivist to join the Tar faction.

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Dex Stewart
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Let Snacko join the Mud side.

Snacko
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Brilliant. I don't know if you all know this, but I hate Tar.

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RoboBob3000
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If we don't hear from 12th Archivist in the next 24 hours, I'll let Snacko make the final pick.

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12th Archivist
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I call upon the great mxvladi to join the tar faction!

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RoboBob3000
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And that leaves VIPCOOL as a mud coodinator. Full tribes are listed in the first post.

Your next task is to choose a representative from your tribe who will handle official communication for our first challenge. Your representative will be the only one allowed to PM me your submissions, and their submissions will be final. I will post the first challenge soon after that decision has been made.

Now that you are seperated into two tribes, you'd better start acting like tribes! Each tribe will need some way to discuss strategies for the challenges in secret, and PM's are not a good way to communicate between eight people at once. I'd recommend that each tribe find some sort of communication solution, even if that means setting up some sort of temporary message board somewhere. I wouldn't recommend abusing Caravel beta boards - not everybody on your tribe is a CaravelNet member. Please fill me in on what you decide to do - it will be interesting for me to watch and, of course, I promise not to interfere.

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CuriousShyRabbit
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I have a couple of questions:

1) Is it a rule that tribes must conduct their discussions in secret, or is this just a suggestion?

2) Is it a rule that tribes cannot communicate via PMs, or is this just a suggestion?

Also, welcome VIPCOOL! I'm glad you're joining the Mud Coordinators!

RoboBob3000
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These are just suggestions - but you'll quickly find that private discussion of strategy will be vital, even for the upcoming first challenge.

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noma
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Welcome to all Tar Techs. Check PM and respond asap.

noma
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For those who don't know the background of the rivalry, check out: this page. Great idea for teams RoboRob3000.

RoboBob3000
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I've got the Tar representative - Mud?

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RoboBob3000
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Representatives have been chosen: TripleM and CuriousShyRabbit.

Challenge 1: Set

This challenge is based on the game Set. All you need to learn for this challenge is what a set is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_game

We will be using a simplified deck for this game. The standard deck has four traits with three values each, for an 81 card deck. We will be playing with a three trait, three value deck, which has 27 cards.

Instead of symbols and colors, I’ve abstracted the cards a bit using letters. Here is our deck:



For example, the card BAC has first trait value B, second trait value A, and third trait value C.

An example of a valid set using these abstracted cards would be AAA, BAC, CAB.

In this game, the two tribes choose cards from our deck until it is extinguished. The team with the most unique sets among the cards they have drawn will win immunity.

To select cards, the representative from each tribe will each PM me a list of cards they want to claim as their own. Your entire tribe should discuss your decisions before your representative PMs them. I will only accept your first complete submission. All currently available cards in the deck will always be known. The number of cards each tribe gets to claim in each round varies as follows:

Round 1: 5 cards each
Round 2: 3 cards each
Rounds 3 and 4: 2 cards each
All remaining rounds: 1 card each

After each round, it is revealed what cards each tribe claimed. Any cards claimed by both tribes are discarded, claimed by neither tribe and not returned to the deck. All other claimed cards are added to the tribe’s hand.

When the deck runs out of cards, each tribe will help compile a list of all unique sets contained in each hand. The tribe with the most sets wins immunity and the losing tribe will go to tribal council.

In the event of a tie, we will continue playing with the discard pile, each round having each tribe drawing one card at a time. This tiebreaker phase will continue as the game had before, with claimed cards adding to each tribe’s existing hand. Cards discarded in this tiebreaker phase are discarded for good.

When the tiebreaker phase is over, we will tally the score again. If we are still tied at this point, then both tribes will go to tribal council.

This challenge starts now. Feel free to ask me any questions you like. There are no time limits for submissions, but if the waiting gets ridiculous, I'll put you in a choke hold.

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Lamkin
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Take out the parentheses in the link and it'll work just fine.

Maurog
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What happens when there's an intersection between the 5 cards one team tries to claim and the 5 cards the other team tries to claim?

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TripleM
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Maurog wrote:
What happens when there's an intersection between the 5 cards one team tries to claim and the 5 cards the other team tries to claim?

RoboBob3000 wrote:
After each round, it is revealed what cards each tribe claimed. Any cards claimed by both tribes are discarded, claimed by neither tribe and not returned to the deck. All other claimed cards are added to the tribe’s hand.

CuriousShyRabbit
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There are an odd number of cards in the deck, but an even number of cards to be picked each round. What happens to the 27th card in the deck?

Dex Stewart
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If only one card remains (which isn't necessarily the case, as even if an even number of cards is picked, it may be an odd number of cards that is taken away, when requests overlap), then both tribes will just pick that one, and it will be removed from the deck.

CuriousShyRabbit
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I've got another question - about how we count up sets at the end.

Suppose I have five cards, cards 1,2,3 make a set and cards 1,4,5 also make a set. Am I allowed to count card 1 as part of both sets? That is, can I say I have two sets, or do I have just one set?

Lamkin
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CuriousShyRabbit wrote:
Suppose I have five cards, cards 1,2,3 make a set and cards 1,4,5 also make a set. Am I allowed to count card 1 as part of both sets? That is, can I say I have two sets, or do I have just one set?

Good question. I had assumed that one would then have two sets. What say you, Robo[boogie]bob?

RoboBob3000
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Yes, cards can be reused in sets.

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RoboBob3000
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Hmm, maybe I do need to lay the law down.

You've got another 48 hours after the timestamp of this post to submit your choices for this round, representatives. One point penalty for being late, and an additional one point penalty for every 12 hours after that.

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CuriousShyRabbit
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RoboBob3000 wrote:
Your entire tribe should discuss your decisions before your representative PMs them.

You've got another 48 hours after the timestamp of this post to submit your choices for this round, representatives.

Suppose some members of a tribe do not join the Sets discussion in the next 48 hours. Does this mean the tribe will now be able to submit choices without the opinions of those members? Or will that tribe have to continue waiting and be penalized?

RoboBob3000
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No, you don't need to wait for opinions from everybody - that's why I wanted to have somebody act as a representative. Final decision for your tribe's approach to this challenge is up to you. If people aren't there to pull their weight on your team, you have my permission to vote them out!

I don't mean to rush things. If you guys don't want a deadline, I'll axe it. But this challenge is going to go at least six rounds, very likely more. I just don't want this game to wrap up halfway into 2010.

If intra-tribal communication is proving to be difficult, I'll try and simplify some of the upcoming challenges.

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noma
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Time limits aren't really the problem as long as they're reasonable, say at least 24 hours -- though 36 or 48 might be better. The point of many games is how you respond under pressure. I think it's was more those types of challenges that depended on a team responding immediately after a challenge was posted that raised a concern.

In fact, given the nature of many of us to think and over-think problems, you will probably need to set time limits. And if we have a heads-up, say we know a challenge has started or we know when it's going to start, I don't think this should be an issue.

As far as intra-tribal communication goes, you've given us a very good solution to that and we all agreed to play the game. Those who don't get involved have their reasons: maybe they're too busy, feel they have nothing to contribute (though I think they should at least get involved to say that,) whatever. It's the online version of a tribe member lying in the hut all day and that's part of Survivor too. As Neil says, "Game on!"