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Yes, it is possible, but you'll probably need to be optimizing for this single purpose from the very start of the 2nd part of the main hold.

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wouldn't it be better to avoid the slayer altogether?

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wouldn't it be better to avoid the slayer altogether?


If I'm thinking of the right method, that would mean giving up an extra +4 ATK and DEF. Even a small amount of extra ATK can make a huge difference in the fight. It could be worth it depending on how much ATK you end up with though. In my case, it probably would have been, but not by a lot.

Also, keep in mind that killing the Slayer will get you another 1000 greckles (which you won't get if you use the bomb on him either, now that I think about it), which *might* be enough to let you buy one more upgrade, depending on how many left-over greckles you have at that point. In that case, it'd be far better to kill the Slayer.


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Wow! I didn't know whether this was possible. Big kudos to you for achieving it!

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Gahh! I'm closing in, but! But! I am four points behind when it comes to defense (and attack, kind of. Still 800 greckles short of the last altar boost, but that ought to be manageble). I have visited all secret locations. Collected all gems.

What can I possibly have missed? Is it possible that the 3% boost bug is active on my computer, but not on Gorvin's?

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Is it possible that the 3% boost bug is active on my computer, but not on Gorvin's?
Doubtful. This bug is scripted in the hold and should hit everyone universally until the hold is updated.

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Whatever could it be then?
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10-10-2008 at 08:27 PM
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I was definitely affected by the 3% bug (I received +3% of my base stats, not +3% of my stats with equipment).

In the 3rd level there is a DEF gem that can be destroyed by a bomb. That would have been +3 DEF and another +1 from the 3% NPC, I believe (132 -> 135 should grant another +1). Perhaps that's the gem you missed? That's the only thing I can think of.


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Thank you!

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I haven't actually tried to complete this challenge, but I wonder if those of you who are realize that you can save a lot of greckles in Preservation of Tueno:
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you are *brilliant*


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Hehe.
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Enjoy your intentional small shortcuts!
10-23-2008 at 06:35 AM
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It's things like this that intrigue me about the RPG gameplay. Like I said, I didn't even realize this was possible until after playing "Paycheck", so I want to give Someone Else credit for that. The ability to walk on multiple doors was a minor idea in Tendry's Tale, but a huge part of his hold. The night after playing Paycheck I was lying in bed, and it struck me how that technique could be applied in one very special place. There are probably a few other places this could be helpful, but not so many, as you have to return by the same path. Like Doom said, they got wise to the idea.
So architects, keep it up and give us new ideas to think on!

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10-25-2008 at 04:47 AM
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Why give someone else credit when you can give credit to the original creditee? :lol

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ues the boom on the adda you can defet the slayer esealy :cool
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But were you able to then defeat the archivist?

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I haven't tried this yet: but the Old Man in the Goblin Tribe certainly could help out in this quest.

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Wow... nice challenge. This is hard. I was always short of some ATK to beat him.

Also, you can lock Greckle Gates?!

Kudos to you for knowing that!
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I wonder if this is achievable even when upgrading DEF. I've been trying to achieve it by optimizing really well, but i've upgraded my DEF twice or trice on Pirate's lair.

Also note: i did not use the bomb on the adder.

Edit: Hmm... seems rather impossible that way. i ended up with way not enough ATK. kuddos to you being able to do it, though.

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Well, I gave this one last playthrough and what I came up with was this. Picture is in the attachment because I can't get the link to work.
Anyway, stats before the fight:
HP 23247
ATK 542
DEF 365
GR 1! I must've been doing something right.
REP 27654
KEYS 0/3/1/0

Expected damage: 10005.


I wonder, has anyone achieved this as well? These are the highest stats I've ever seen on the official hold (quite proud, actually!)

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Ha! Done! Hmm... But Midootje had four more ATK than me. Must have used a later alter.

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Sorry about the bump here, but Blondbeard, could it be you didn't use the pickaxe where it was 'intended' to be used (2 rooms West of where you find it)? That would constitute a 4 ATK and 4 DEF difference. I doubt the difference would come from a later altar, because a difference of 4 ATK would mean you used an altar in No Man's Land.. I don't think anyone would ever do that.

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At least, after my big optimization!. I got this achievement, it was nearly to be a fail, though. I used the bomb on the slayer.

Really a very, very hard challenge.

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My turn at last :D

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Victory!

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Managed to improve my run a bit, and ended up with this -- 4 ATK higher than last time:

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With the greckles from winning the fight, selling some keys and killing a few extra enemies, I managed to end the game with these stats:

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Those are some extremely impressive stats, well done! :thumbsup

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So I, uh, didn't know you were supposed to use the bomb on the Archivist... yea, whatever. ._.

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I did this today. Very satisfying! I bought three upgrades in The Goblin Tribe, and saved the rest for the Preservation of Tueno machine. Bombed adder as early as possible. Lucky Blade got used heavily, but I never had to sell any yellow keys. Stats before the fight:

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This challenge is getting a bit easy now (unsurprisingly, considering it was originally proposed and solved back when the 3% boost bug was in effect -- now we all get an extra +6 ATK and DEF for free).

In chat, Alex Diener proposed the additional challenge: Kill the Archivist with your sword, without ever using the Hand Bomb on anything.

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