pakaran
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Ok I need just a minor hint for this one. Whatever I do I get overwhelmed by babies before I can hit the vulnerable side of the mama.

Which gate should I enter first? I've been trying to do it just going through the middle one of the upper gates, or sometimes cleaning up a little through the top gate of the upper gates first.

Is it necessary to enter the bottom gates while the mana is still alive?

Thanks!

yarnexpress
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I don't know what the experts will say, but I went after the tar mother first. You won't be over-whelmed with babies if you clean out the tar on the way to mama. Always try to kill a baby with each stroke to keep ahead of the spawn. It helps to use the enter key to keep track of the spawn count.

zex20913
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I do that as well. My main objective in *most* L8 tar mother rooms is to kill it ASAP.

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The_Red_Hawk
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Same with queens - "Only the most efficient swordsman will prevail against the roach queen. Move swiftly to her, paying as little attention to here offspring as safety permits." - Gunthro Budkin

Shouldn't that be the same for tar mothers?

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agaricus5
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Not always. Remember that those rules only apply to Dugan's Dungeon. You can create rooms where the opposite is true.

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The_Red_Hawk
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Can we see them?

I can't find any way to create a room with roach queens where an inefficient swordsman would be better than an efficient one.

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agaricus5
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The_Red_Hawk wrote:
Can we see them?

Hmm...

More one-way idea transfer, Hawk? In your direction?

Let me go off and dig out the concept I got this from. I'll attach a file later.

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The_Red_Hawk
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agaricus5 wrote:
More one-way idea transfer, Hawk? In your direction?

Just curiosity. I don't really expect to get any ideas out of it.

I don't mind if people use my ideas anyways, so long as it isn't direct copying.

[Edited by The_Red_Hawk on 01-25-2004 at 09:25 PM GMT]

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agaricus5
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File: Example Hold.hold (938 bytes)
Downloaded 75 times.
License: Other
From: Unspecified

Well, here is an example I put together quickly.

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The_Red_Hawk
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No, no, no....

That's not what I meant at all. This puzzle forces you to keep the queen alive. That has nothing to do with efficiency. What I really meant was

"a puzzle where killing 15 roaches/spawn would be better than killing 30 roaches/spawn"

-not including where the roaches or the queen are needed for something else.




Oh, and thanks for the puzzle idea.

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agaricus5
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The_Red_Hawk wrote:
Just curiosity. I don't really expect to get any ideas out of it.

Oh, and thanks for the puzzle idea.

Yeah. Pure oxymoron, Hawk.

As I said. One way idea transfer. You seem to like it.

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Oneiromancer
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<sniff>

Oh...I...I couldn't be more proud! Bravo! Bravissimo!

Gentlemen, please welcome Wesley as an Initiate in the Order of the Cynical. I think he'll fit in just fine, given the proper training. We must make sure to provide instructive examples.

Game on,

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The_Red_Hawk
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agaricus5 wrote:
As I said. One way idea transfer. You seem to like it.

Yeah, yeah. Come on. Having roaches kill a serpent in a loop isn't exactly an original idea.

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DiMono
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The_Red_Hawk wrote:

agaricus5 wrote:
As I said. One way idea transfer. You seem to like it.

Yeah, yeah. Come on. Having roaches kill a serpent in a loop isn't exactly an original idea.

I know, I came up with it like 2 months ago in King Reubus' Palace level 3

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The_Red_Hawk
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DiMono wrote:

The_Red_Hawk wrote:

agaricus5 wrote:
As I said. One way idea transfer. You seem to like it.

Yeah, yeah. Come on. Having roaches kill a serpent in a loop isn't exactly an original idea.

I know, I came up with it like 2 months ago in King Reubus' Palace level 3

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Screeching, flipping, gliding, sliding,
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