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Blondbeard
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Shapeshifting 2W: You can't reach this empty room, and it's required.

06-14-2008 at 07:10 PM

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You can't?
I can.

I'm updating the hold with fixes to the USs Larrymurk found.

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06-15-2008 at 02:09 AM

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Huh??? How do you reach this

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room? And how do you get out once you've reached it?

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06-15-2008 at 06:57 AM

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Re: Choose your adventure... (+2)

Trust me you can reach it.
Obviously, how you do that is the challenge.
The fact that I'm assuring you that you can, should act as enough of a hint but here's a SPOILER if you want:

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06-15-2008 at 07:34 PM

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The fact that it was possible was enough of a hint

What a sneaky architect!

06-15-2008 at 09:00 PM

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Unintended solution for Shapeshifting 1E?

(I hope to post fuller comments here, after I complete a whole level.)

06-21-2008 at 04:53 AM

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I've almost completed the Shapeshifting Level

Here's what I've done so far:

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I need help with the Entrance. Specifically, how do I kill the two serpents? I can't use myself as an obstacle, because the serpent eats me. There's no way to lead a roach in with the serpent (I could do that as a seep if I could somehow get to the edge of the room). The goblin would do the trick, but I can't free him without killing him (with gel baby).

06-21-2008 at 11:13 AM

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CuriousShyRabbit wrote:
Unintended solution for Shapeshifting 1E?

(I hope to post fuller comments here, after I complete a whole level.)

Why didn't I think of that?

Oh, and about the Entrance: The serpent is a very alturistic beast.

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06-21-2008 at 09:57 PM

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Blondbeard wrote:
Oh, and about the Entrance: The serpent is a very alturistic beast.

Thanks! That worked. For some reason, because the serpents were moving before I touched the power token, I thought I couldn't do that. (I actually still don't understand why they move before I touch the power token in this room, and not in the TCB : King Dugan's New Dungeon rooms. I also don't understand why Player Role Wubba is vulnerable to serpents when it's not vulnerable to roaches or swords, but oh well...)

I've now completed the Shapeshifting level. What was the secret wall in the Entrance for?

06-22-2008 at 10:00 AM

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Flawlessly consistent, you know

(I don't understand it either)

06-22-2008 at 01:11 PM

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Hey, thanks for the comments CSR!
Your solution for 1E is the intended one, actually.
However, solving 1N with the wraithwing isn't. The intended solution there is

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so your solution cuts out a lot of the complexity. Could you post your demo for 1N, please?

Actually, assuming it involves killing one of the two roaches at the bottom first, it's easily fixable.

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06-22-2008 at 08:38 PM

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Jacob wrote:
Your solution for 1E is the intended one, actually.

What? That was intended? And here I was feeling all guilty about "breaking" the room. :blush

However, solving 1N with the wraithwing isn't. Could you post your demo for 1N, please? Actually, assuming it involves killing one of the two roaches at the bottom first, it's easily fixable.

Yeah, that's what I did. I'll spare you the demo, as it's 2000+ moves of fiddling with roach movement order to get them separated. I really like player role wraithwing, though, and hope I will be able to use it properly in another room.

06-23-2008 at 02:16 AM

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Whaaat?!

You mean that this solution (with a ww) for 1E wasn't intended?

06-23-2008 at 06:41 AM

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Oops, sorry. I was looking at completely the wrong demo there, CSR. No it's not meant to be completed by Beethro from the North.

Neither of those 2 solutions are intended (Blondbeard's one is ok though, since it uses the wraithwing, it's just a very long way of doing it - you don't need to keep the first aumtlich alive.)

Sorry for the confusion. I'll get to work fixing things.

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06-23-2008 at 11:53 AM

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again!

Oh, and why not make a secret version of the room where my solution is the required? Just move the walls up one square next to the preasure plate.

06-23-2008 at 12:16 PM

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I've completed the Stalwarts and Guards level, which I liked a lot, as it helped me understand their mysterious behavior better.

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×1S - Here I used Beethro's sword and body to make the stalwart stand still. First I had the stalwart on the northern pressure plate while the roach opened the door, and then I had the stalwart on the southern pressure plate while the roach came out.

1S1E - I used seven decoy swords to trap the guard on the pressure plate.

1N - The various comments in this room made me laugh. I woke up the eyes (timing picky) so the stalwart could finally stop running back and forth between them.

1N1E - I learned something new here. When Beethro walks up behind a guard, he swings around counterclockwise. Here, that got him stuck on the bomb.

2N - This seemed so easy, I may have found an unintended solution. I killed 7 of the 8 brains around the stalwart, released him, and killed the eighth brain when he was standing on the pressure plate.

1S1W - This room was first impossible and then very easy. I found that if Beethro runs in a straight line into the corner and steps aside, the guards all commit suicide on the hot tile trying to backswipe him.

1N1W - Grrrr... this room was a lot of work. I could have saved myself some time if I knew at the beginning that stalwarts swing around clockwise (not counterclockwise) when stunned by an aumtlich. That means I can only get him to hit the bomb if he approaches it from the east. My original solution to the maze had him approach from the west, and then he swung around and blocked the aumtlich's gaze with his sword.

1E - I remember several posts about stalwart vs guard battles being decided by the even or odd number of squares between them. Here, all the distances are even (in favor of the guards). But if the guards swing their swords on their first free move, the distances become odd (in favor of the stalwarts).

1W - It's easy to see what to do here: use the northern roach to put the spare stalwart in the box with the southern roaches. But getting that to happen took a lot of trial and error, and the placement of the checkpoint didn't help. I started over and over and over again. In reviewing my demo, it looks like I just got lucky.

06-25-2008 at 11:00 AM

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Just in case it's needed, here's a demo of the unintended solution to Stalwarts and Guards 2N.

06-27-2008 at 01:06 AM

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I'm working on the Briars level now.

Here's a demo of an unintended solution to Briars 1W.

06-27-2008 at 01:08 AM

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Here's a demo of an unintended solution to Briars 1S1E.

06-27-2008 at 01:16 AM

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I've completed the Briars level now. I liked all these puzzles, as they have logical rather than random solutions. After figuring out the tricks, they didn't take too long to solve. The tight timing of some puzzles is very impressive.

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06-27-2008 at 01:56 AM

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And now I've done the Aumtlich level. These puzzles have fittingly evil lynchpins! (I like how the only two checkpoints on the level are intended to trick me into going someplace I shouldn't. Please may I have some real checkpoints... not only to save me from starting the puzzles over and over and over again, but also so I can have a savegame with the level completed?)

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06-27-2008 at 05:28 AM

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I made it through the Grid level, and indeed I needed to visit every room, sometimes more than once. It is possible to conquer 2N1W, but that doesn't seem to affect the solution to the maze. Please let me know what kinds of comments would be helpful on these rooms.

I'm now working on the Brain pathmaps level.

Here is an unintended solution for Brains 1N. I used the same unintended solution for Brains 1S.

06-27-2008 at 08:53 AM

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I've completed the Brains level and mastered the hold. Actually, this is the first level I tried when the hold was first posted, and these puzzles looked too hard for me. The puzzles are indeed approachable now that I've sat down and concentrated on them without other distractions. Very enjoyable.

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06-27-2008 at 11:20 AM

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US for Aumtlich 1W? I did not go through the force arrow. Is that intended?

US for Aumtlich 1N? I used one decoy. Demo attached.

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06-27-2008 at 04:08 PM

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GRID: 3N3W

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[EDIT: never mind...got it]

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06-28-2008 at 01:12 PM

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Curious Shy Rabbit wrote:
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Can't find how to do CSR's solution here.

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06-30-2008 at 05:08 PM

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Have finished Briar level and my thoughts are:

1W seems too easy compared to remainder of level.

1S, 1E - the unintended solution makes this too easy.

1N - you might speed up the northern briar to make the timing more important.

The best puzzles on this level are 1S, 1E, 2E and 2E,1N. Each of them takes some thinking to solve and are fun when you figure them out. Unlike CSR, I used all of the decoys on pressure plates and made sure not to cut off any of the briars roots and instead focused on eliminating certain open areas.

06-30-2008 at 08:29 PM

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Talund, hints for Aumtlich 1E:
When stalwarts do the aumtlich spin, they spin clockwise.

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06-30-2008 at 11:23 PM

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Thank you. That is a neat puzzle.

07-01-2008 at 02:42 PM

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Thanks for the comments. I don't actually have any more modpoints to mod people up.
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