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Blondbeard
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Re: Madness in the Spring (0)

jbluestein wrote:
My solution to L7:1N seems like it might be partially unintended.

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I managed to make my way up to the brain with the door surrounding it still open. I stepped left to stand next to the brain, which caused the aumtlich at the bottom of the room to trigger the pressure plate and close the door. Now safe, I was able to kill everything without much problem. Admittedly, getting up to the top seems to be the thrust of the puzzle in this room, but standing on the door feels kind of like cheating.

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I asumed that was intentional, since there aren't any checkpoints up there. Would be tedius to kill all the aumtlichs if that wasn't the intended solution.

04-05-2008 at 11:39 PM

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I uploaded a new version, beta3. The only structural change is to L5 2N ("This time for sure!"). I also modified most of the generic level entrance text, tweaked some of the other text slightly, added a little bit of speech near the end of some levels.

L7 1N:

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L7 1S:

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04-06-2008 at 01:25 AM

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I could post a demo of L7 1S.

04-06-2008 at 07:38 AM

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I got annoyed with one of the rooms on Level 5 and quit playing this hold. But then Chaco encouraged me, so I finished Level 5.

Comments on the rest of Level 5 (from where I left off):

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Rooms I still need help on: Level 2 secret, Level 6 1N1E

04-06-2008 at 08:57 AM

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I've completed Level 7 and conquered the hold (beta 1 version)!

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I'll take a look at the changed rooms in the new version soon.

Rooms I still need help with: Level 2 secret, Level 6 1N1E :~(

04-07-2008 at 05:12 AM

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Regarding the changed rooms in beta3:

Level 4

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My demos of all the other rooms survived.

Rooms I still need help with: ~~Level 2 secret~~, Level 6 1N1E

[Last edited by CuriousShyRabbit at 04-08-2008 04:37 AM : Got the Level 2 secret with a lot of hand-holding from TFMurphy]

04-07-2008 at 06:44 AM

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CuriousShyRabbit wrote:
Regarding the changed rooms in beta3:

Level 4

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secret - You moved the decoy potions, but did not change the essence of my unintended solution. 9 decoys is enough to make the goblin dance on and off the pressure plate.

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04-07-2008 at 02:40 PM

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The trick for Level 7: 1S is one I haven't seen before, but now I know it...

The revised Level 5: 2N now feels like a real puzzle. I got it, but it took some thinking.

Rooms I haven't solved yet:

Level 2: secret
Level 6: 1N, 1N1E

For the SW secret on Level 6:

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04-07-2008 at 02:58 PM

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I've mastered the hold. I still haven't managed to solve L6: 1N or 1N1E, but the hold is mastered.

A few final comments:

L6: 1N: My best move count for killing the last mother is 184. Close...

L5: NE secret. The movement pattern of the brained evil eye in this room is bizarrely unintuitive. Why does it have trouble moving south but not moving north? odd.

L6 1N1E: I haven't even really tried this one. It looks unpleasant, though.

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04-07-2008 at 06:14 PM

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jbluestein wrote:

CuriousShyRabbit wrote:
Regarding the changed rooms in beta3:

Level 4

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secret - You moved the decoy potions, but did not change the essence of my unintended solution. 9 decoys is enough to make the goblin dance on and off the pressure plate.

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×Was that unintended? I used only a few decoys -- I just needed it placed so that sworded the goblin went one way, unsworded the other way.

Josh

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04-07-2008 at 09:00 PM

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I just needed six decoys, and I didn't need the disarm token.

04-08-2008 at 08:14 AM

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jbluestein wrote:
L5: NE secret. The movement pattern of the brained evil eye in this room is bizarrely unintuitive. Why does it have trouble moving south but not moving north? odd.

Short answer: brained movement preferences.

Long answer: You may want to go check TFMurphy's Advanced Brain interaction hold in the GC#1 forum (since you have access to it) I think it might explain things more clearly. I know I wouldn't have been able to solve the room had I not considered the eye's ability to move southwest.

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04-09-2008 at 03:09 AM

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L4 secret:

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L6 1N1E:

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L7 1S:

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L7 1N:

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I'll work on L7 1N, and upload a possibly-final version in a day or two.

04-09-2008 at 03:36 AM

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Wow! Awesome stuff so far! I'm half-way finished with level 2 and I have no more comments that other people haven't said so far, but this is the first Boyblue hold that I've finished a whole level of.

04-09-2008 at 05:48 PM

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I've uploaded beta4. I removed the warps, made Level 7 1N somewhat harder, and made a few cosmetic changes.

04-10-2008 at 04:31 AM

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Well, whatever you did to L7: 1N has made it unsolvable for me -- I can no longer figure out how to sufficiently separate the skippers.

Sadly, I can't even look at my old demo to see what I did before...

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04-10-2008 at 11:57 AM

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I just needed 1800 moves for L6 1N1E

04-10-2008 at 12:04 PM

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All my demos except Level 7 1N survived in the beta4 version.

Level 7 1N

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I understand that Level 6 1N1E is not required; however, I've already spent so much time trying to solve it, I'd appreciate at least a hint on how to get started in a productive way.

04-11-2008 at 05:50 AM

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Re: Madness in the Spring (+1)

Attack the northern and western parts first.

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04-11-2008 at 08:16 AM

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Finally! Solved Level 6 1N1E in 561 moves!

Thanks to both Blondbeard and Rabscuttle. (Rabscuttle explained in chat how to solve a similar room in Larry's Lone Soldier hold, and Blondbeard's hint shows how to reduce this room to the Lone Soldier problem. After I practiced on Lone Soldier : Prison : 1N2E, this room became easy.)

04-12-2008 at 12:47 AM

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I've submitted the hold for publication. Until it appears on the Holds board, you can still report serious problems here.

04-13-2008 at 04:10 PM

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Looks like you really fixed Level 7 1N this time.

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04-14-2008 at 04:12 AM

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