talund
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Having a little trouble here keeping roach separation. I can manage it to kill two sets of snakes but then... collapse and futility.

I enter with my sword facing SE and after second set of snakes are killed I am in the NE corner of the room with the sword facing SW. Is this the correct starting position and can I finish the room from the position I am in?

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talund wrote:
Having a little trouble here keeping roach separation. I can manage it to kill two sets of snakes but then... collapse and futility.

I enter with my sword facing SE and after second set of snakes are killed I am in the NE corner of the room with the sword facing SW. Is this the correct starting position and can I finish the room from the position I am in?

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talund
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talund wrote:

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×And am I correct that the goal to keep/create the one square separation between the roaches?

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talund wrote:

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×Yes - I understood that the critical piece is that they be separated when at the mouth where the serpents emerge. Am having trouble however creating that separation from the position I described.

Sorry, I was trying not to give too much away here.



If I'm still being too vague, let me know and I'll be more spoilerish.

Josh

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talund
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Yes. I understood pretty quickly the various concepts that the room is based on but am having difficulty putting them into practice after the position that I described. I can't quite get the movement necessary to obtain separation on the south side for the next pair of serpents. Perhaps if I had that sequence of movements I could work the rest out. You would think that having figured out how to get to the north side, I'd be able to get it!

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[Last edited by talund at 08-17-2007 08:51 PM : further explanation of issue]

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talund wrote:
Yes. I understood pretty quickly the various concepts that the room is based on but am having difficulty putting them into practice after the position that I described. I can't quite get the movement necessary to obtain separation on the south side for the next pair of serpents. Perhaps if I had that sequence of movements I could work the rest out. You would think that having figured out how to get to the north side, I'd be able to get it!

Click here to view the secret text

×The first moves has to be to move two squares in a direction. I then figure that I need to move a square and swing the sword to a new position and so on but no matter how I do this, I end up with the roaches bunched on the south side and so miss a serpent.

OK. Here's a sequence of moves for you:





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talund
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Thanks! It doesn't quite give away the whole room as I am still working on this. But very helpful.

Phew - finally got through it. Thanks for the guidance Josh.

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[Last edited by talund at 08-17-2007 09:48 PM : Update]

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Well all the discussion above is quite enlightening, but I have a problem, that I do not how to deal with the two roaches on the east.

OK, the decoy takes care of one of them, but to take care of the other I have to enter a snake pit at the start, and then no matter what I do I can not both get rid of the eastern roach, AND manage the two dacning roaches to block the snakes.....

Any help ?

Edit: OK H&S effect, I admit I'm an idiot , always missing the obvious solution ....

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[Last edited by porcorosso at 09-06-2007 03:05 PM]

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Thanks to the hints above, I've barely managed till the last pair of snakes form north and south. Attached is what I did. I "flipped" the order of the roaches before the 3rd last pair of snakes and I wonder if that was a critical error. (i.e. I can't do it.) Basically I am looking for a way to delay the roaches after killing the 4th last pair.

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I didn't flip the order, but it's perfectly possible to complete the room even with flipped order. After you kill the forth last pair the room is solvable (I just solved it).

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Thanks for the hints. I didn't quite know how to delay each roach individually, but I managed to let right serpent from the third last pair to enter the chamber for a brief two-turn before leading to its death! Phew, another tough room.