NiroZ
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I really can't say I'm enjoying Builders. With the single exception of UL: 3N1E, They've been more of annoyance than anything else.

In regards to this room, is there any tips that I should heed, or is this just a 'Wait until the builders clear enough of the walls, then rush in and kill the mothers before too much oremite gets laid down?

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[Last edited by NiroZ at 04-11-2007 10:30 AM]

silver
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sadly, that's pretty much the only advice there is... just live long enough to get in there do some damage, and use what's left of the walls for cover while doing one side.


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NiroZ
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Got it!

What I needed to realise was that

McFrugal
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Someone give me a demo. This room appears to require a specific move sequence after a certain point, because as soon as I make for a hole in the wall, I've immediately got roaches heading towards me from 3 sides. I can't even get to the hole in the wall half the time, and even when I do I die within 10 moves. Then I have to start the room all over again because the checkpoints are in completely useless locations!

Also none of the creatures are doing partial movements- they just instantly pop to their destinations. What's up with that? It totally screws my prediction over, making it much harder to even kill the roaches at the beginning while I wait for the walls to break.

NiroZ
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Try

McFrugal
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I managed to finish it. On my first retry after a couple nights away from the game, too. It seems I just was being impatient and rushing in right when the first tile of wall opened, from inside the center... and I think that situation is suicide.

I had better luck

JonHogg
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Gah, I've been stuck on this room for days now, last one on the level - can someone send me a demo?

Dex Stewart
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File: TCB Upper Lowest 1E Victory.demo (8.9 KB)
Downloaded 579 times.
License: Public Domain

Here you go.

JonHogg
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got it now, many thanks.

Chimerix
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This room makes me feel stupid. No better word exists.

I follow the hints. I study the demo. I'm on the 4th consecutive day of not solving it.

What happens to me, and apparently no one else, is that the builders stop working. Just like in the demo, I camp out in a corner, and can successfully defend against wave after wave of roaches. Just like in the demo, most of the builders quickly become stuck, but 1 or 2 keep moving. Until...

...exactly 1 tile gets removed in the upper center wall. At which time all builders stop moving. I can't manage to move to a new area of the room in hopes of jiggling them loose, nor can I make my way to that 1 lonely, inaccessible opening in the wall.

This is definitely one of those rooms which inspires thoughts of extreme violence against my poor, defenseless Mac.

[EDIT]
YAY! My plan worked! Yet another wonderful example of the post-then-solve phenomenon! Go Chim! Go Chim!!

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DCLeadboot
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Rooms like this and 2N1E are what spoil this game - they're so hard, it's not fun anymore.
In fact, I end up battling it out with a scowl to match Beethro's expression!

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mrimer
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DCLeadboot wrote:
Rooms like this and 2N1E are what spoil this game - they're so hard, it's not fun anymore.
In fact, I end up battling it out with a scowl to match Beethro's expression!

Um...I appreciate your tenacity, and I agree this game is quite demanding, but your commentary on every other room would be more appropriate in the General Board (for instance). Would you please refrain from resurrecting each room thread in the Hints and Solutions board as you play it?

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