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Want to play Flash DROD but can't because the official site doesn't actually have any versions that work?

I found this site that has it where the first four episodes are actually supported, or whatever problem needed to be fixed.

Maybe if Caravel can find out what those guys are doing differently, we can actually get Episode 6.

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I'm confused. These don't work for you? They work for me...

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No, all I get is blackness where the game should be.

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My only guess is that whatever browser you're using has flash disabled by default, but happens to have it enabled for jayisgames but not here? In which case there's probably some way to tell it you want flash enabled on caravelgames too. But I couldn't hope to tell you details; I've been using firefox, then waterfox, for years and never messed with anything else much.

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I just checked, I'm using Chrome. I get that black square too. The site isn't secure, so flash is blocked by default. Changing that setting makes flash DROD work.

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So I finally got around to figuring out how to get it working on the main site again. But if you're paranoid enough to not want to risk that, then that secondary site is for you.

And to fix that problem for everyone here, maybe Caravel can look into getting the site registered as secure.

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Well, there's a reason for all the troubles of course.

Flash has been deprecated by its developer (Adope) for quite some years now. In fact: 31 Dec 2020 will be the official and of it.

It's not that running flash on an unsafe site is problematic; flash itself is. It was good while it lasted, but now flash is posing way more problems than it solves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash?wprov=sfla1

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But speaking of unsafe sites: shouldn't we have an https for the forum, like any serious website?

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I strongly disagree with the notion that just because Adobe isn't supporting flash, that it is therefore "dead". There are still probably literal millions of items of valuable flash content, from games to videos to who-knows-what-else, all over the internet, and for as long as any one of those exists, flash is still alive and valuable to have installed and functional. It having security vulnerabilities doesn't mean content that is completely unharmful should be banned from everyone's use; that's always struck me as rather stupid.

This sort of thing--but I think it was with java--was why I switched from using firefox to waterfox when the former tried to completely remove the ability to use java with no input from the user on whether or not that was ok.

Also, people are working on an alternative flash player which will be secure, even now -- https://ruffle.rs/

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Dying Flutchman wrote:
But speaking of unsafe sites: shouldn't we have an https for the forum, like any serious website?

We have one. Try it out. I haven't forced redirection to it because I haven't tested it all that thoroughly.

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Say, speaking of Flash DROD--could we maybe get in contact with those Bluemaxima Flashpoint folk to get it onto their archives? They're currently trying to archive as many Flash games as they can, don't see why they'd refuse help.

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Schik wrote:

Dying Flutchman wrote:
But speaking of unsafe sites: shouldn't we have an https for the forum, like any serious website?

We have one. Try it out. I haven't forced redirection to it because I haven't tested it all that thoroughly.

I didn't even know that! This is super great! Thank you, Matt.

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Schik wrote:

Dying Flutchman wrote:
But speaking of unsafe sites: shouldn't we have an https for the forum, like any serious website?

We have one. Try it out. I haven't forced redirection to it because I haven't tested it all that thoroughly.

I did some testing. Which means: I just went about on the site like I always do. Everything seems to work, but one thing: the user avatars. They give me a mixed content warning (i.e. insecure content smuggled into an otherwise safe https site).

Perhaps this would be solvable? I'd be in favour of switching over to https even if we might discover some things would be broken .

I any case, most things I've seen now work fine, like posting, the several room search tools, highscores, beta holds...

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Dying Flutchman wrote:

Schik wrote:

Dying Flutchman wrote:
But speaking of unsafe sites: shouldn't we have an https for the forum, like any serious website?

We have one. Try it out. I haven't forced redirection to it because I haven't tested it all that thoroughly.

I did some testing. Which means: I just went about on the site like I always do. Everything seems to work, but one thing: the user avatars. They give me a mixed content warning (i.e. insecure content smuggled into an otherwise safe https site).

Perhaps this would be solvable? I'd be in favour of switching over to https even if we might discover some things would be broken .

I any case, most things I've seen now work fine, like posting, the several room search tools, highscores, beta holds...

Yeah, trying it myself, most of the functionality works... except for user icons, inexplicably. I guess HTTPS really doesn't like small images of boxart for obscure Japanese-only shareware games that were formerly lost media?

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Dying Flutchman wrote:

Schik wrote:

Dying Flutchman wrote:
But speaking of unsafe sites: shouldn't we have an https for the forum, like any serious website?

We have one. Try it out. I haven't forced redirection to it because I haven't tested it all that thoroughly.

I did some testing. Which means: I just went about on the site like I always do. Everything seems to work, but one thing: the user avatars. They give me a mixed content warning (i.e. insecure content smuggled into an otherwise safe https site).

Perhaps this would be solvable? I'd be in favour of switching over to https even if we might discover some things would be broken .

I any case, most things I've seen now work fine, like posting, the several room search tools, highscores, beta holds...

Yeah, trying it myself, most of the functionality works... except for user icons, inexplicably. I guess HTTPS really doesn't like small images of boxart for obscure Japanese-only shareware games that were formerly lost media?

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Camwoodstock wrote:
Say, speaking of Flash DROD--could we maybe get in contact with those Bluemaxima Flashpoint folk to get it onto their archives? They're currently trying to archive as many Flash games as they can, don't see why they'd refuse help.

Worst case I still have all the source files and if there is a nice way to transcompile AS3 to JS I could release them as JS-based games instead. I just never had time to properly investigate things

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2608511/actionscript-to-javascript-cross-compiler

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3586192/cross-compiling-flex-flash-to-javascript

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disoriented wrote:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2608511/actionscript-to-javascript-cross-compiler

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3586192/cross-compiling-flex-flash-to-javascript

See that's the amount of research I've put in so far and 10 year old questions are not exactly creme of the crop.

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https://phaser.io/news/2019/06/converting-a-flash-game-to-html5

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Xindaris wrote:
Also, people are working on an alternative flash player which will be secure, even now -- https://ruffle.rs/

It looks like ruffle still doesn't support ActionScript 3, which Flash DROD uses.

P.S. the link to the KDD Lite 4 .swf is broken: http://caravelgames.com/Articles/Games_2/FlashDROD/KDDL4Get.html
Try clicking the "Grab the package" link.

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