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Hatlore
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Too Many Henchmen. I've managed the rest of the level without much difficulty. But I find this one a total pain. I've been fighting them in the center rows, any delver worth his salt knows maneuvering room is the key to beating henchmen. But that damn slayer keeps getting in the way. I've managed to get all but 3 henchmen once or twice. Other than sheer perseverence, what's the trick to this?
05-08-2005 at 09:49 AM
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icon Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 2 South, 4 East (+1)  
I killed a few in the central corridor, but then ducked into the SW room to kill all but the last one. Try to stay as close to the entrance as possible. The idea being that while Beethro's movement will be restricted, you create a bottle neck that only 1 or two guards can come through at a time, and the slayer gets stuck on the outside. I don't have any specific hints, though. Killing guards on orthongonal squares is a little different than killing them on unrestricted squares since you can't move diagonally.

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Just made it. Doing it in the southwest room is very hard, I stayed entirely in the middle.

The real trick is learning how to kill henchmen no matter where they are. They abide by the same rules you do.
05-08-2005 at 07:01 PM
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no mather wath I try, I only seem to be able to kill 4 guards, maybe once 5, but it's noy working out. Can somebody give another hint please?


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05-18-2005 at 07:02 PM
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icon Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 2 South, 4 East (+1)  
if you are really good with henchmen
you can keep the slayer out of the room
otherwise try to make as many kills as possible by moving not swinging your sword
if you do this well the slayer will be moving the hook instead of closing on you
05-20-2005 at 03:14 AM
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Anyone found any more specific hints for this room? The best I can do so far is kill 4. I can't get any further into the corridor than the entrances to the first rooms, and though I can manage to get into either the north or south room, I am never left with enough moves to turn to face the guards.

Edit: Guess what the reason for this edit is. :lol

[Edited by bandit1200 at Local Time:05-24-2005 at 09:02 PM]
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I can consistently get to the point here (see attached file), having just killed a henchman where my sword is. I really need hints on how to kill henchmen in an orthoganal room :? eventually I end up sometimes with two henchmen coming in even though I'm close to the door, and not being able to kill anything. I have tried so many times that it's not funny anymore :unsure
01-30-2006 at 06:31 PM
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rikyo wrote:
I really need hints on how to kill henchmen in an orthoganal room :?
Make sure you have your sword pointed diagonally while the poppy points his sword vertically or horizontally. When your swords touch, he's just a step away from certain doom... :)

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Thanks, that worked a treat! Oddly, I'd done that on two while getting into the room, but I'd not noticed :blush
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Briareos wrote:
rikyo wrote:
I really need hints on how to kill henchmen in an orthoganal room :?
Make sure you have your sword pointed diagonally while the poppy points his sword vertically or horizontally. When your swords touch, he's just a step away from certain doom... :)

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Some how I got into the NW room entrance and I believe the the slayer was blocking part of the entrance because I could then draw one guard at a time into the room and move to the W and N and kill him ... and no other guards entered the room until I went back to the entrance and "invited" them in to their death :thumbsup

Then just a matter of avoiding the slayer and escaping through the N exit/entrance.

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I'm completely stuck in this room. I've tried everything mentioned. I do that little dance in the SW room & get overwhelmed with whatever the blank they are. (poppies? then what are henchmen?) Needless to say without killing any. I hate this room. I just want to finish JTRH. Will someone post a demo please?
12-28-2006 at 10:04 PM
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Well it helps if you know a few things about the slayer first, such as the fact that it only enters rooms on multiples of 5, and that it won't enter if Beethro is too close to the entrance. I think it is most easy to kill the guards in the hallway as well.
12-29-2006 at 02:32 AM
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Finally! The hint about the slayer helped enormously. I was also able, at long last, to figure out the "dance". I think I'm getting "drodded out". Thanks for the help!
12-29-2006 at 03:43 PM
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I've been stuck on the 23rd floor for over a year now, and finally took another stab at the game, and have made some progress.

But now I'm stuck. I just can't clear this level. I've tried hanging around the entrance to delay the Slayer, tried to take on the henchmen in the hallway, even tried using those four-way rooms to create a bottleneck...nothing works.

Does anyone have any more hints than the ones that have already been posted?
03-10-2007 at 09:30 PM
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Unkillable Cat wrote:
Does anyone have any more hints than the ones that have already been posted?
Persistence? :P *ducks*

I guess that you just need to brush up on your guard killing technique. Perhaps go into the editor and add a few in and mess around with them.
03-10-2007 at 11:39 PM
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A couple of hundred deaths have passed since my last post, and I have made no progress whatsoever. DROD fatigue is beginning to set in.
03-25-2007 at 02:19 PM
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Unkillable Cat wrote:
A couple of hundred deaths have passed since my last post, and I have made no progress whatsoever. DROD fatigue is beginning to set in.
Well - could you perhaps post a demo of your efforts?

np: Christ - Cordate (Blue Shift Emissions)

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03-25-2007 at 02:22 PM
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Here's a demo that leaves six henchmen alive. It's about the best I can do.

Despite all my attempts, entering the 4-way rooms gets me nowhere, which leaves me only with the central hall and the Slayer.

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03-25-2007 at 02:54 PM
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Your problem stems from allowing one of the Guards to get behind you. Try working in a top to bottom line.

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03-25-2007 at 03:11 PM
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Nope. Not happening. I managed once to leave two henchmen alive, but that's the best I could do...and I don't even know how I did it.

Your suggestion does not work for me. In fact, it makes things worse.

The main problem now is the Slayer. If it wasn't for him, I could finish this room and move on.
03-25-2007 at 08:24 PM
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Well... If you ever want a demo you could let us know :)
03-25-2007 at 08:51 PM
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Unkillable Cat wrote:
Nope. Not happening. I managed once to leave two henchmen alive, but that's the best I could do...and I don't even know how I did it.

Your suggestion does not work for me. In fact, it makes things worse.

The main problem now is the Slayer. If it wasn't for him, I could finish this room and move on.


OK - Demo attached (but don't tell anyone!). Should help you see a variety of moves to kill guards.

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03-26-2007 at 04:14 PM
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icon Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 2 South, 4 East (+1)  
For one thing, you posted the wrong demo. Not that it matters, for I finally cleared the room, and subsequently the hold!

Thank you all very much for the help you gave me with this room.

Now to clear off a few secret levels, and then I get to see what this Dreamplane is all about...
03-28-2007 at 05:20 PM
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THE WRONG DEMO????

I've looked back at it and it is definately for JTRH Level 25 2S4E and is quite a good one I think.

What have you been looking at???

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03-28-2007 at 08:17 PM
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Well, I downloaded and imported your demo for the room, only to find myself looking at the demo I posted here. To make certain I was not making a mistake, I deleted all the demos I had recorded and tried again. Same result. Then I finally made sure the only demo file for the room on my computer was the only I had downloaded from you, before importing it. Same result.

Looks like I still managed to screw up and get the wrong demo, i.e. one of my own. Hooray for my blunderings. Or not.
03-28-2007 at 08:53 PM
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It seems Unkillable Cat is right. The demo attached in Chris's post is by someone named "Arni Viking", recorded March 25 at 7:51 am, and ends with Beethro dying after 36 moves.

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03-29-2007 at 12:48 AM
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That's my name, BTW.

Feel free to poke fun at it, as it is an odd one. It's also halfway Anglosized.
03-29-2007 at 08:36 AM
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icon Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 2 South, 4 East (+1)  
OK - it seems I made a blunder - apologies to all affected.

I have changed the Demo attachment above and have checked that it is mine (or I sincerely hope so)

Cheers
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