Chopper
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Tuttle wrote:

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×See the centre post in the northwest snake pen? Count 4 squares east from that (ie 2nd square east from the pen wall). That's where I made her spawn. Provided you're standing NE of her before the eggs hatch, she'll run southwest and straight into the corner pen.

Guess it works in theory but I've started this room again and again, and see no way to get her off the top or west wall, never mind getting a spawn on that spot. Must be a trick I'm too stupid to see.

Tuttle
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If you really can't get it, I'm happy to send a demo.

Chopper
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ON the door is no prob. But ain't no way in hell I can get her where I want and now all patience is shot. I spent the last few hours trying 2S1E also and thaat too makes no sense. Let the demos run, please.

Tuttle
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Okay, here's mine.

wiseoldman
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Briareos wrote:

Kafka wrote:
But I can't see how to manoeuvre her into the SW quadrant. Can someone please give a slightly more explicit hint?

If that means you can't maneuvre the queen into the bottom left snake pen...

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×get the queen into the top right snake pen, then

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×chase her out again so she spawns exactly on the arrow, with you running below the pen exactly south of the arrow so she will stay in

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×wait another spawn or two, killing what roaches are coming at you

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×run NE of the queen and watch her run exactly towards the entrance to the SW pen...

np: A. Greenman - Discoethique (Microsolutions To Megaproblems)

1st I can't seem to move her into the top east pen. 2nd, if she is in there and i do manage to get her on the arrow in the pen entrance? If I am directly south of her and she spawns how in the world can I move NE of her being I am south of her?

And how do you (a) get her out of the NE by the orb without her ending up in the N entrance where you cannot move her, (b) get her out of the SE corner to anyplace except the yellow wall directly above her?

It is fairly easy to kill the snakes in all but the SW pen. So the problem is, how to move the queen there? What is the method?

Like 1S1W what is required seems impossible but I know it is... but how?

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Briareos
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wiseoldman wrote:
1st I can't seem to move her into the top east pen.

Well, I'm not the most efficient player here, but I just played the room again and was a lot better than last time. Anyway...

2nd, if she is in there and i do manage to get her on the arrow in the pen entrance? If I am directly south of her and she spawns how in the world can I move NE of her being I am south of her?

And how do you (a) get her out of the NE by the orb without her ending up in the N entrance where you cannot move her,

See above.

(b) get her out of the SE corner to anyplace except the yellow wall directly above her?

Basically, you don't need to even let her get there, but just in case:

It is fairly easy to kill the snakes in all but the SW pen. So the problem is, how to move the queen there? What is the method?

It's doable from either the NE or SE snake pens. I already described the NE pen method, the SE needs the queen to spawn a few tiles out the door so you can turn her SW.

Hope this helps...

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wiseoldman
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Hatlore wrote:
Getting the queen into the southwest chamber is the only way to off that snake. But it can be done.

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×It's all about the timing.

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×Specifically, the trick to changing the Queen's direction against all odds is to block her with Roach spawns.

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×Get her to the yellow orb, then push her as close to the entry as you can without bringing her to the top row.

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×If you go to the doorway, she'll run east and downward.

Click here to view the secret text

×That's not right, you want her to run west.

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×Time it so a roach spawn interrupts her eastward flight and quickly run to a spot east of her. She'll run southwest into that snake pit.

I have the queen in the NE pen. See my graphic. Now, how do I get her out of there and going SW to the last pen?

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wiseoldman
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Briareos wrote:

Kafka wrote:
But I can't see how to manoeuvre her into the SW quadrant. Can someone please give a slightly more explicit hint?

If that means you can't maneuvre the queen into the bottom left snake pen...

Click here to view the secret text

×get the queen into the top right snake pen, then

Click here to view the secret text

×chase her out again so she spawns exactly on the arrow, with you running below the pen exactly south of the arrow so she will stay in

Click here to view the secret text

×wait another spawn or two, killing what roaches are coming at you

Click here to view the secret text

×run NE of the queen and watch her run exactly towards the entrance to the SW pen...

np: A. Greenman - Discoethique (Microsolutions To Megaproblems)

Since the queen is always one square to the left of me and she will continue to move how can I get to be directly south of her? Seems like and impossible position to get into.

Perhaps there is another way to herd the queen into the SW pen?

Also, I have forced the queen from next to the orb to the left where she spawns. But I can't figure out how to get N of her to force her down to the SW pen.

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Briareos
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wiseoldman wrote:
Since the queen is always one square to the left of me and she will continue to move how can I get to be directly south of her? Seems like and impossible position to get into.

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wiseoldman
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Briareos wrote:

wiseoldman wrote:
Since the queen is always one square to the left of me and she will continue to move how can I get to be directly south of her? Seems like and impossible position to get into.

Click here to view the secret text

×Well, I wrote "make her spawn on the arrow" for a reason - you park her in the top-right corner of the NE pen with you standing directly below her.

Click here to view the secret text

×When the spawn clock is 3 turns away from the next spawn, you step east so she'll run out of the pen, but thanks to the timing she'll spawn on the arrow and block herself.

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×You need to run after her and stay directly south of her below the pen, and you'll have to deal with the 3 roaches spawned outside without leaving this column (swinging the sword works nicely).

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×Now wait until there are 3 roaches east of the queen so she can't run back into the pen, then run around the pen and NE of her and she'll start running SW, directly into that pen there.

... ok, kind, patient person ... I will give it a try ... now all i have to do is start the [room] all over again ... kill the 3 other snakes ... drive the queen into the NE pen ... and follow you detailed instructions ... sometime it is difficult for this old man to think

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skip
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Here is a demo of where I am. I have read the hints but still cannot get the queen down to the SW corner.
Thanks for any help.

noma
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If you can get the queen into the lower central chamber:


If you need more help, there is always the demo here.

skip
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Is there any way to skip this room? I just cannot do it even with the demo? It is moving the queen that I cannot do.

CuriousShyRabbit
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This is a required room, so you can't just skip it. You can either start over, and copy the demo exactly, or you can show that queen who's boss.

In your demo, you stepped on the checkpoint with the queen at (1)


To get her out of there,

JLE
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I am currently unable to get the queen into ANY pen.

I start at the NW corner. The queen immediately runs into the SE corner. I have no way to stop her going there, since no matter where I start, I am both north and east of her.

After which she runs up and down the east wall. If I go to the W corner, she runs up the east wall, and hides by the doors (whether they are open or closed: if I go to the NE corner, she runs down the east wall, and then along the south wall. I have tried getting her to spawn at any time, and she simply will not move far enough east to go into a chamber instead of into the south wall.

Let us assume that (a) the yellow orb has not been hit.

Let us also assume that (b) it WILL NOT be hit, because I wish to complete the challenge.

Let us also assume that (c) all snakes except the SW one are dead, they are easy to kill with ordinary roaches.

And that the queen is in the SE corner.

And that I am currently standing on the save point.

Can it be done from there?

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Nuntar
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I don't think so. But...

JLE wrote: The queen immediately runs into the SE corner. I have no way to stop her going there, since no matter where I start, I am both north and west of her.

...is that actually true? Look again at the room image in the post just above.

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JLE
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Nuntar wrote:
I don't think so. But...

JLE wrote: The queen immediately runs into the SE corner. I have no way to stop her going there, since no matter where I start, I am both north and west of her.

...is that actually true? Look again at the room image in the post just above.

...Oh. So if you come in on the most easterly possible point, you're directly north of her instead... that made a big difference, was able to complete not just the room but the challenge as well.

I'd still be interested to know if there *is* a reliable way to get the queen out of the far southeast corner without ever tagging the orb, though?

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Rabscuttle
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Yes.

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