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Moments like this feel so great

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Simplicity seems to be missing from the high scores database (something's not right).

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You can't browse the list of players if it isn't sorted by score. Well, you can, but it will always revert to sort the list by score. For example, you have to go through the entire list sorted by score if you want to find a player whose name begin with a 'T' (not very fun to do). Also, sorting the list always take you back to the first page (might be intentional).

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Stefan wrote:
You can't browse the list of players if it isn't sorted by score.

Fixed.


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Stefan wrote:
Simplicity seems to be missing from the high scores database (something's not right).

Fixed. It was another entrance room offset problem.

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Schik wrote:

Stefan wrote:
Simplicity seems to be missing from the high scores database (something's not right).

Fixed. It was another entrance room offset problem.

Just wondering, erm, how come there are 2 Explorers and 3 Conqueror for this hold?

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Tim wrote:
Just wondering, erm, how come there are 2 Explorers and 3 Conqueror for this hold?

On that note, (very strangely)...



Why is this?

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Actually scratch all that I've said about the highscores before, after trying it, I realize it's fun. I feel like a barbarian horde which lays siege to countless holds, trying to carve its name in blood in the book of History. Ahh, the multitude of opportunities - should we go for the little, unpopular holds that offer a chance of quickly putting my name on the top, risking later conquest by others? Surely it will raise my score to the heavens. Or should we try to go for the well-fortified rooms attempted by hundreds of people already and try to beat that best score? Oh, the sweet taste of victory when I complete in 154765432 moves what the current winner completed in 154765433! That's the usual tradeoff between quality and quantity... it's a shame that every room has a potential "best demo" which will eventually be reached. But taking it a bit deeper, there are gonna be more rooms that can ever be conquered by a single person, so I guess it's all right.

And about that stuff of people copying the tech... well, the winner doesn't care unless you actually do it better, in which case I guess you deserve the 1st place anyway, for spotting a new opportunity.

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City of Queens is missing from the list. Another entrance room offset problem?

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On the player's page, I expect the "number of high scores" column to be telling me something like "number of rooms in which I'm ranked in the top 8", but it clearly is reporting something else:

JtRH:
score: 30
number of high scores: 328 / 333

if it were "top 8s" one would expect a minimum score of 328


[Edited by silver at Local Time:04-22-2005 at 02:16 PM]

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silver wrote:
On the player's page, I expect the "number of high scores" column to be telling me something like "number of rooms in which I'm ranked in the top 8", but it clearly is reporting something else:

Yeah, I mentioned that in the first post. It's on the to-do list.

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Cool! Your personal score now shows in flaming red. It's way better this way, my thanks to the guy who added this.

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Stefan wrote:
City of Queens is missing from the list. Another entrance room offset problem?

Yes... *sigh*. Fixed. I really need to write something to check them all for me, this is getting crazy.

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but soon you'll be done with all the legacy holds and just have to convince Rimer to make it so the JtRH editor doesn't allow overlapping stairs and other such inanities (if it isn't already so fixed) and, poof. done forever

until the next thing.


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This is not caused by the overlapping stairs bug or anything like that. The room entrances are just not set to the right room in the database on the server - there's nothing wrong with the holds (if I've understood this 'bug' correctly).

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Yeah, right. Why do I have this strange feeling that there's some conspiracies going on here against someone's holds...



[Call me strange, but why do I sense a pattern in here?]

[Edited by Tim at Local Time:04-23-2005 at 02:12 AM]

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Phil's Dungeon: Second Level has also wrong room coordinates.

(1S1W should be 1S etc.)

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The cause of this seems to be something other than I originally thought (Edit: actually this list is not complete, there was something wrong with my code, so it really does seem to be caused by what I thought it was), but here's a list of levels with non-standard entrance room coordinates (nothing wrong with the holds, but it still seems that these are not treated right by CaravelNet, although I haven't checked everyone of these):

A Quiet Place: Limbo
Bavato's Dungeon: Level 11 (The Fissure)
Bavato's Dungeon: The Bypass Tunnel
Bavato's Dungeon: Level 13 (The Stronghold)
Caverns of Animus: The Forgotten Gateway
Charlotte's Hold: Level 1: Uptown
Charlotte's Hold: Level 2: Midtown
Claythro Tower: Fifth Story
Claythro Tower: The Escape!
GoblinTest: GoblinTest
I Ching Contest Entries: I-Ching? Ka-Ching! (Clayton)
I Ching Contest Entries: I Ching Contest Level (Agaricus)
King Reubus' Palace: The Cellar - Level 1
Meckmecks World: The big City
Mark's Penultimate Dungeon: 3: Quarters
Mark's Penultimate Dungeon: 6: Exterior
Mark's Penultimate Dungeon: 9: Grand Finale
Phil's Dungeon: Second Level
Phil's Dungeon: Ninth Level
Smith Basement: Storm Shelter
Squeenton Swicks: Tiny Nub
The Palace of Puzzles: Ground Floor

[Edited by Stefan at Local Time:04-23-2005 at 01:09 PM]

[Edited by Stefan at Local Time:04-23-2005 at 06:52 PM]

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Squeenton Swicks shows the first room created as the entrance, rather than the room north of that which is what I changed the entrance to before releasing it. Seems this problem occurs when the level entrance is changed. It's actually a problem in the drod.net database, not with CaravelNet, because demos in Tiny Nub still line up with the correct rooms.

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Hey, what do you think about adding a link to a player's highscores into his profile? And maybe even putting one of them little bottom-post icons linking to highscores and other CaravelNet info.

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Stefan wrote:
but here's a list of levels with non-standard entrance room coordinates

Again, thanks a ton, Stefan. I've corrected the offsets in my database, but that means that now high scores are associated with the wrong rooms. I will work on fixing that as soon as possible.

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Schik wrote:
but that means that now high scores are associated with the wrong rooms. I will work on fixing that as soon as possible.

Well.... I hate to say this, but it turned out that I had to go ahead and delete the high scores for the affected rooms. Since all of the offsets *should* be right now, hopefully I won't have to ever do anything like that again. It ended up affecting a relatively small number of rooms thankfully.

Please let me know if you see any high scores that don't look like they match the room they're supposedly for.

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Could the "No holds explored yet" message be changed to "No unconquered holds explored yet"? When I'm looking at three finished holds and seeing a message that I haven't explored any, it looks kind of awkward.

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I've noticed 'Fools Errand' does not list the name of the level, so it's not possible to look at the individual room scores for this hold. Also, The Tomb of Nomb has seperate highscores for 'The Tomb' level and the alternate version with commentary, but again does not show both level names individually, when looking at the highscores. (it might make sense, if it's not too much of a special case, to combine the two sets of highscores together for this hold, since the demos will be identical)

Can I ask how are new demos for rooms in old versions of holds that are updated currently/going to be handled?

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StuartK wrote:
I've noticed 'Fools Errand' does not list the name of the level, so it's not possible to look at the individual room scores for this hold. Also, The Tomb of Nomb has seperate highscores for 'The Tomb' level and the alternate version with commentary, but again does not show both level names individually, when looking at the highscores.

Those two cases are because the Architects marked those levels as hidden. Long story short, I can add something that will allow you to see stats for hidden levels and rooms if you've visited them. I'll put it on my to-do list.

(it might make sense, if it's not too much of a special case, to combine the two sets of highscores together for this hold, since the demos will be identical)

That does make sense.... ummm... I probably won't do this though.

Can I ask how are new demos for rooms in old versions of holds that are updated currently/going to be handled?

It's still somewhat up in the air. I'm planning on writing some code that will go through all the highscores and verify the demos, removing any bogus ones. That should solve most of the problems caused by updating an uploaded hold.


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hold page, the conquerers column should be followed by the "masters" column (only a couple holds have use of that now, but...)


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Yay! Thanks for that highscores link, Schik!

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It might perhaps be nice to have a date for the last highscore uploaded for a hold (or level?) by an individual, to give an idea of when they last visited.

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silver wrote:
hold page, the conquerers column should be followed by the "masters" column (only a couple holds have use of that now, but...)

in addition to that suggestion for the holds page, I have a suggestion for "players" page: a "number of holds conquered" column


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