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Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Almost there... But this room is giving me trouble.(First room in the hold where I need help

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btw, 756 deaths in this level so far :glasses

(undo is really useful in this level...)

04-08-2005 at 01:59 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Heh. This is the hardest room on the level by far, I think.

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04-08-2005 at 02:08 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

You know, it's really funny how you always complete the room right after asking help for it. As if posting about it made it somehow easier...
I did it by

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04-08-2005 at 02:14 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

I think Doom will be the first one who will complete the game,

not talking about Erik, Beta-Testers,...

Me, I even can't buy the game so Level 3 so far... :weep

I know, this is a very stupid reply.

04-08-2005 at 04:05 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+1)

I was fifth person who completed the current version. (And third not-beta tester)

Kevin, krammer, wallu and ClaytonW did it before me.

04-08-2005 at 04:27 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Going by highscores for the last room is not accurate. I've only replayed some rooms since beta, they just include the ending.

I don't qualify as beating the game again in any way.

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04-08-2005 at 04:37 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Hey, this is one of my rooms...and yeah, I intended it to be solved by dropping the trapdoors, but if you can do it the way krammer did, more power to ya!

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04-08-2005 at 04:38 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

I guess you can't say anything about testers then. But otherwise it should be accurate.

I may try the more power thing after I've conquered rest of the hold secrets. Man, there are some insane rooms in the secret areas. (About 7 more to go... And I'm stuck in at least 4 of them.)

04-08-2005 at 04:48 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Hey, I've finished it too!

I think I may have been third (after Kevin and wallu), but I'm not sure.

04-08-2005 at 04:49 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Rabscuttle wrote:
Hey, I've finished it too! I think I may have been third (after Kevin and wallu), but I'm not sure.

That must mean that you've not uploaded your scores. Ok, I don't say anything because of the demos.....

04-08-2005 at 04:50 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Hmm.. most of mine are up, but it looks like not the ones for the monsterless rooms.

Heh, I have the worst score for 2S2E.

04-08-2005 at 05:10 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

I second this query. Hopefully it will provide me with the same revelation Doom had.

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04-10-2005 at 03:06 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+2)

Let the record show that I conquered the room six minutes after requesting help.

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04-10-2005 at 03:12 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+1)

I've never asked for help before, and I'm not now, but it looks like posting in this thread is lucky. So now I should be able to beat the room.

04-10-2005 at 05:12 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+2)

Yeah, no doubt... just thinking about posting got me through it!

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04-10-2005 at 05:42 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

I think the puzzle goddess knew I was trying to trick her, since the room actually seemed to get more difficult after I posted here. So maybe I have to actually ask for help. How do you start this room? EDIT: Shortly after posting the above, I can kill 14 before the slayer gets me, but still, the slayer gets me.

[Edited by Abbyzzmal at Local Time:04-10-2005 at 04:47 PM]

04-10-2005 at 04:09 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

So, still haven't gotten, but it bothers me since I'm so clase to the end. So I went back and made a demo of me failing. What can I do to make it better.

I have lost all pride and dignity, and am now begging for help.

04-10-2005 at 08:33 PM

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04-10-2005 at 08:50 PM

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Game on,

[Edited by Oneiromancer at Local Time:04-11-2005 at 01:15 AM]

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04-10-2005 at 09:43 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Aha! Thank you both! Now I understand everything. How irritating it is to be so close for so long. . .

04-11-2005 at 01:10 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

Hi,

ok, I'll touch this thread for good luck and inspiration. Two days on one room is enough.

I've tried the above solutions and learned three things:

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Oneiromancer, when you say "on the column..." you mean Beethro's position, right?

Any further good tips are still really welcome on this room.

Cheers,
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04-24-2005 at 05:40 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+2)

It's possible that guard movement changed from beta to now...I had made my above post based on an older build (which I did try again right before posting!) and when I got to this room in the real version this weekend, I found that it wasn't quite working for me.

(However, watching StuartK's demo, it worked just fine for him!) So I finally solved it with the following configuration:

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×Sword pointing NW as you enter the room, and I made pits in the following shape:

PPPP
P-BP
 PPP
  P
   P

Where the bottommost "P" is the bottomost trapdoor. When I moved Beethro into his final position, he killed a guard on that move, and basically I just had to keep my sword positioned so that the guards would rotate their swords before stepping in there with me...and not all of them did, I had to leave and kill about 7 stragglers afterwards. But it worked!

Game on,

[Edited by Oneiromancer at Local Time:04-24-2005 at 06:06 PM]

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04-24-2005 at 05:57 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+1)

Hi,

Wow, thank you! That did it for me on the third attempt.
:thumbsup

But it feels as if there was still some luck involved as
in the successful attempt the slayer happened to move in
such a way as to not only allow ALL guards to suicide on
me but also to escape.

The two previous ones started near identical (have no
move-by-move record, but I built your pattern without
killing a guard before completion) but ended in one case in
all guards dead but the slayer blocking the exit and in the
other in the guards in fixed positions and me fumbling the
mop-up.

This certainly was the hardest room so far, and just knowing
it can be done in a certain way is a great help.

Cheers
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04-24-2005 at 07:54 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

This room is really bugging me. It is the last one before the blue door. I can't kill more than a few when I box myself in because eventually a gaurd will kill me if I move my sword and another will kill me if I don't kill him. I tried onei's last advise, but you can't do it because you get killed. I can't get even close to any box so I can't do what krammer said. What do I do?

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05-23-2005 at 12:47 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

My configuration definitely works. I went diagonally to the NW and then looped around clockwise...it might take you a few tries, and possibly different sword angles, but it's how I solved it in the final release.

Game on,

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05-23-2005 at 12:55 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+1)

Ok I beat jtrh. Nice! Dreamplane, here I come.

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05-23-2005 at 02:20 AM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (0)

That was the only hint I needed. Don't think I'd ever have got that. Hmm, quite a lot of secrets still to find.
That ending was

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06-13-2005 at 11:11 PM

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Oneiromancer wrote:
So I finally solved it with the following configuration:

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×Sword pointing NW as you enter the room, and I made pits in the following shape:
PPPP
P-BP
 PPP
  P
   P
Where the bottommost "P" is the bottomost trapdoor. When I moved Beethro into his final position, he killed a guard on that move, and basically I just had to keep my sword positioned so that the guards would rotate their swords before stepping in there with me...and not all of them did, I had to leave and kill about 7 stragglers afterwards. But it worked!
Game on,

[Edited by Oneiromancer at Local Time:04-24-2005 at 06:06 PM]

Has the slayer's behavior changed since this was posted? I have managed to kill all the guards twice but then Slayer always gets me. Even though his hook is not pointed in my direction, he just stomps on me. :no

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07-18-2005 at 05:23 PM

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Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fifth Level : 1 North, 4 East (+1)

It's definitely still possible, but I had to step out of my enclosure early on. Basically, once the guards thinned out so that the Slayer was able to send his wisp into me, I had to rotate my sword so that he would keep his distance, and then escape around the top clockwise and kill off the rest of the guards up there, which shouldn't be too bad by now.

Game on,

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07-18-2005 at 05:38 PM

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Hello,
excuse me , I've read all this posts, but I'm still stuck in this room . I know I'm probably silly, but I don't understand what the X P B - know in Oneiromancer's post.
Please, give me some help . I kill some guards, but after, I'm stuck between the delver and the other guards ...
It will make me crazy .... :wacko

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