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Hints for JtRH: Level 12, 2N1E (0)

Stuwy wrote:
I must say, I am loving this hold! However I'm stuck on L12: 2N, 1E

The second tunnel passage and voyage is getting me stuck. Either way, the mimic will get stuck on the force arrow once I traverse right. Any Hints?

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04-06-2005 at 12:02 AM

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I don't see how to do that. You have to go in with the mimic on your left or you can't use the tunnel. Then you have a forced sequence of sword moves or you die.

04-12-2005 at 06:30 PM

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philrennert wrote:
I don't see how to do that. You have to go in with the mimic on your left or you can't use the tunnel. Then you have a forced sequence of sword moves or you die.

Not necessarily...

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04-12-2005 at 06:44 PM

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Yes, what you said happens on the left, but I still can't move right. And I don't see how to get it to happen on the right without getting killed first. Even with the useful blockage on the left, how do I go right along the bottom after going through the tunnel?

04-12-2005 at 08:10 PM

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I got stuck in the same place in this room. And I was absolutely convinced that my/your reasoning is correct. However, one of your deduction is wrong. Go back and examine them again.

If you're still stuck, this one is wrong:

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04-12-2005 at 08:16 PM

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Yes, sorry, as stigant says, that is where you are hung up. I wasn't sure how far you had progressed so I didn't want to give the whole thing away.

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04-12-2005 at 08:23 PM

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Okay, thanks - that did it. Interesting close-quarters mimic maneuvering - haven't done that before. Thanks again.

04-12-2005 at 08:55 PM

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Help - I need help for another room on level 12 of JtRH, and I can't say so. If I click on Help for a specific room and pick JtRH, it only lets me choose level 1. And it won't let me post a new topic, like with JtRH and the room in the title...

Anyway, JtRH level 12 1W:

It seems like you have to do the reds before the blacks or the roach queen gets away. And you can't do the western set of reds without ending up at the bottom, so you have to call Halph into the bomb chamber to get you out. And you have to trigger the bomb to get the NW bunch of roaches, so you blow up Halph. What's wrong here? Is there any way to get into the bomb chamber to hit the breakable wall, or is that a red herring?

I tried clearing the blacks first near spawning time, hoping to trap the queen in her offspring, but she moves before the spawns, so that didn't work.

04-12-2005 at 09:42 PM

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philrennert wrote:
Help - I need help for another room on level 12 of JtRH, and I can't say so. If I click on Help for a specific room and pick JtRH, it only lets me choose level 1. And it won't let me post a new topic, like with JtRH and the room in the title...

In order to see the rooms to pick, you have to be logged in to CaravelNet. I don't think you have to upload your scores though. In any case, we do this in order to keep levels/rooms you haven't seen yet hidden, to prevent spoiling the rest of the game for yourself. If you aren't sure what to do, you might want to check the Help documentation for JtRH. Basically you just need a CaravelNet key sent to the e-mail address you have assigned to yourself on this forum, and paste it into the Settings menu within DROD. At that point more of the forum functionality will be available to you, as well as some nifty stuff in-game (like being able to see the top 8 demos for rooms you've completed).

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04-12-2005 at 10:02 PM

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Okay, thanks, I'll try it. And your hint worked for the room too - the key is that the green door opens before the bomb blows.

04-13-2005 at 12:30 AM

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I am obviously missing something simple in 2N1E. The mimic has to be on your left. Thus, you can only move forward, backwards, and to the right. With the mimic on your left you can not use the tunnel on the left.

So, what is the obvious thing I am missing?

And how in the world does one get a tar baby in the arrow?

See the graphic attached and please let me know how to proceed. Thank you. :glasses

03-24-2006 at 01:04 AM

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Oh, shoot

I think I know how to move now. swords NW and move on the diagonal (I think). Now just have to figure out how to no get the mimic stuck on a arrow.

03-24-2006 at 01:09 AM

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wiseoldman wrote:
I am obviously missing something simple in 2N1E. The mimic has to be on your left. Thus, you can only move forward, backwards, and to the right. With the mimic on your left you can not use the tunnel on the left.

It is possible to get the mimic on your right.

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03-24-2006 at 01:18 AM

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I have posted a suicide demo of my problem with this room. I am almost there but cannot figure out how to move beethro without moving the mimic on the last force arrow.
Thanks very much.

06-14-2006 at 12:42 AM

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Your problem seems to be that the mimic gets stuck because you have to go twice to the right (or diagonally to the right) after you get through the tunnel. You already know what can stop him from going there!

06-14-2006 at 01:56 AM

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I'm sorry, I know I'm being really dense here but I still don't get it.
Yes it would be really helpful if a tar baby were in that force arrow, but he's in the left one and there is no way (that I can see) to have one in the right hand one also.
I think I need a more obvious clue.
Thanks again

06-14-2006 at 03:16 AM

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06-14-2006 at 11:10 AM

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Thank you so much....I cant believe I didnt see that.

06-14-2006 at 05:26 PM

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OK...I feel like the village idiot here, but I've gone over the hints for this room and they don't even seem to address my questions!
1. How is it possible to get rid of all the tar to make the black gate open? There are always circles left that can't be removed.
2. I am mystified about how to use the mimic in this room. I see no good place to put him really.
What am I missing here?

09-13-2006 at 01:54 AM

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You need a team effort to destroy that blob. Specifically, you need the mimic's help.

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09-13-2006 at 02:27 AM

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I am also stuck in the room N2E1
I've got how to use mimic and tar baby to block arrows.
But when pass the last tar pool with the mimic and then move to the tunnel and splash the last tar pool myself - mimic kills the tar baby on the arrow and steps on it (as he copies my actions).
And then I can't reach the orb as it is behind the arrows.

So, I can't get how to lead the mimic to the orb without getting stuck on lower arrow?
:~(

02-07-2007 at 06:24 AM

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Sentarium wrote:
I am also stuck in the room N2E1
I've got how to use mimic and tar baby to block arrows.
But when pass the last tar pool with the mimic and then move to the tunnel and splash the last tar pool myself - mimic kills the tar baby on the arrow and steps on it (as he copies my actions).
And then I can't reach the orb as it is behind the arrows.

So, I can't get how to lead the mimic to the orb without getting stuck on lower arrow?

The simple answer: Don't let the mimic step on any of the arrows. But it seems you already knew that.

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02-07-2007 at 06:39 AM

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The simple answer: Don't let the mimic step on any of the arrows. But it seems you already knew that.

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Hope this helps.

it does not help. Because when I get to the last passage towards the tar pool, I can move only right or left (as I am in the passage). I destroy the tar pool and all babes, and the mimic at the same time kills the babe on arrow and steps on it.
Again, I can't reach the orb.

please see attach file (B=Beethro, M=mimic)

please, help! I am going crazy about the room

02-07-2007 at 07:09 AM

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Sentarium wrote:
please, help! I am going crazy about the room

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02-07-2007 at 08:13 AM

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The note that the mimic will move N or S if it cannot move diognally is wrong. How do I avoid placing the mimic on the arrow before going around the top W tunnel to kill the 3x2 blob and the babies? I need the mimic to hit the orb!

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Guna wrote:
The note that the mimic will move N or S if it cannot move diognally is wrong.

It was right the last few years so I'm pretty sure this hasn't changed.

How do I avoid placing the mimic on the arrow before going around the top W tunnel to kill the 3x2 blob and the babies? I need the mimic to hit the orb!

Here's a picture of how the room should look right before cutting the tar blob:

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03-31-2010 at 12:09 PM

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Briareos wrote:

Guna wrote:
The note that the mimic will move N or S if it cannot move diognally is wrong.
It was right the last few years so I'm pretty sure this hasn't changed.

Guna, the point you may be missing is that the mimic won't just choose to go north or south if east is blocked...you have to be telling the mimic to move NE or SE.

This is a matter of vertical preference -- if there is an obstacle to the NE of a mimic and you move Beethro NE, the mimic will end up going north. Generally, given an impossible diagonal move, the mimic will always choose to move vertically (assuming that's possible). But it's like vector arithmetic -- it won't move in a direction that is not a component of Beethro's move.

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03-31-2010 at 12:21 PM

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You were as allways right! Room solved! Thank you.

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