Scattercatt
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So after completing the rest of the hold (besides secrets), I have come up with a very important rule for this level.

1. If Beethro wants to cross a path with a [+] and [-] of the same color, the charge that is first must be swapped mid-way by parking the opposite orb in the middle of the path. For example:
[] = gate
() = orb
--> PATH -->

--[+]--(-)--[-]-->

Sub-Rules:
1A. Parking can only be achieved by having a third path to the middle location
1B. Parking an orb almost always requires that you do NOT go through a gate of it's color.
1C. The only time it is possible to park an orb by going through a same color gate is if you travel through the gate with matching color and charge, and then finding a separate rout, not using the aforementioned gate.

This all being said, I have found that, through all the routs to the brain, parking a (-) at point A (see attached image) is required.

Because of rule 1B and 1C, it is not possible to park a (-) coming through the south passage of point A, therefore you must come through the west passage, which has a [-], which leads to point B.

The only way to get to point B with (-) is through the south passage, as the west passage contains a [+], breaking rule 1B.

However, the south passage means you must cross a [+] after crossing a [-], meaning you must park a (-) at point B. This is logically impossible due to point C.

Questions:
- Are any of the logical rules false?
- Is it true that I ABSOLUTELY need a (-) at point A?
- Is it possible to get to the brain from both paths([+] or [+]), Or is one impossible?

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Dragon Fogel
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I'm not sure if I grasp what you mean by rule C well enough to tell you if it's wrong, but I CAN tell you that it's possible to park a green - at point B.

Scattercatt
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Dragon Fogel wrote:
I'm not sure if I grasp what you mean by rule C well enough to tell you if it's wrong, but I CAN tell you that it's possible to park a green - at point B.

Click here to view the secret text

×The trick is picking up the green + along the way, so you can use it to leave point B after dropping the green -.

The full process of doing this is a little complicated if my demo is any indication, but maybe that will point you in the right direction.

- Rule 1C is the exception to rule 1B. It's pointing out how it is possible to park an orb past a gate of the same color only if the gate is the same charge and that there is a secondary path back that does not involve that gate.

As you pointed out, to get a (-) at point B, we need to first get a (+) there. However, I see no way of doing this. D:

Also, I don't see your demo. Could you try posting it again? I really want to see how this works.

Dragon Fogel
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I didn't mean "I posted my demo", I meant "I reviewed it to see the process".

Here's a hint, though.

Scattercatt
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Dragon Fogel wrote:
I didn't mean "I posted my demo", I meant "I reviewed it to see the process".

Here's a hint, though.

Click here to view the secret text

×At first I thought the left side of the room was useless.

I was very wrong.

Oh my gosh I finally did it. Thanks for the tip. Here is what I did