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Currently the Steam achievements for the secret rooms are... not hidden, which kinda defeats their purpose?

The first instance of this happening is in The True Court: 1W. I don't know of all the other instances of this (it takes time to go through the whole hold), but I'm pretty sure there are more.
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Currently the Steam achievements for the secret rooms are... not hidden, which kinda defeats their purpose?

The first instance of this happening is in The True Court: 1W. I don't know of all the other instances of this (it takes time to go through the whole hold), but I'm pretty sure there are more.
Yeah, I get your point. Are you suggesting that we remove the "1W" from this achievement name?

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No, but make the achievements hidden. Individual Steam achievement can be set to be "hidden" so that for users, they'll only show up once they have been unlocked. It's like this in the user's achievement page:


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Ah, okay!

Is there general agreement that challenges for secret rooms should be marked hidden?

I'm ambivalent about this. Even if we don't show the specific room the challenge is in, I think it would be nice to let the player know that there is a hidden achievement in a particular level. Personally, I don't especially like the prospect of having to scour an entire hold to guess where a hidden challenge might be found. Thoughts?

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I don't suppose Steam has any criteria for unhiding an achievement other than having it... achieved?

Even if they're hidden in Steam, all the challenges are explicitly stated on scrolls in the game and room coordinates are given in the in-game challenges interface as long as the rooms have been explored.
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Actually, determined players can always view the global achievement page which doesn't hide hidden achievements. It's kind of like carpet-searching in H&S interface for the coordinates of secret rooms.

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all the challenges are explicitly stated on scrolls in the game

Well, Destructive Mania isn't. But that's not a main challenge anyway, it's just a "do something extra that's unrelated to solving puzzles".


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There's already plenty in-game to point people towards the hidden rooms and the fact that they have challenges in them. There's the secret count unlocked after beating the game, and the challenge list.

But I don't have a strong opinion on this either way. I guess hiding them is better for people who don't want to be spoiled on where secrets are, while people who don't care if they're spoiled will have other options for finding the information.
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Okay, I'll start marking achievements in secret rooms hidden on Steam. I've done this first one. Can anyone help me out with others?

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Sure, have a list of secret room challenges in GatEB:
Click here to view the secret text


Inconclusive:
Click here to view the secret text

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Thanks! I've marked the first set hidden.

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According to this page, the secret room achievements are indeed hidden now.

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Secret room challenges in the other holds:

KDD:
Click here to view the secret text

JtRH:
Click here to view the secret text

TCB:
Click here to view the secret text

Talking of the achievements, Great Snakes (JtRH 16:Ent) is missing an icon.

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Thanks for these! I've marked all the secret rooms as hidden, plus the hidden TCB achievement that's somewhat spoilery.

I've added the missing L16 icon.

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Oh, and one more detail about a couple of JtRH achievements:
Click here to view the secret text


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Thanks! Updated these two achievement descriptions.

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