adS
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I still do not really understand what Restore Game/Room Start does.



It does not restore the original first starting position of Beehtro nor does it restore the last starting position of Beethro in an unconquered room - not always.

Sometimes I solve a room and restore Room Start in order to optimize my solution and Drod does not restore the room with the starting position I solved a few seconds ago. This is annoying. What is going on here?

Can anybody explain?

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robin
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It restore the room, to the entry position, you last entered the room.

So if you visited the room 5 times, it will go to the position you entered that room the fifth time.

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robin wrote:
It restore the room, to the entry position, you last entered the room.

So if you visited the room 5 times, it will go to the position you entered that room the fifth time.

Sometimes it does not.
Exactly this is the problem.

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Looking at the code, function SaveToRoomBegin() (which basically overwrites the currently saved "Room start") is called in the following cases:
- When the hold is first started
- When a level is started, if better[1] or explored for the first time
- When you move to a new room, if better[1] or explored for the first time

[1] - A save is better if the number of conquered rooms is the same or bigger.

So in short - "room start" save will be overwritten if the new save has the same or more conquered rooms.

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English is my first language, and that TLDR is really confusing, and seems to contradict what you're saying in the non-TLDR. Can you please rephrase?

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zex20913 wrote:
English is my first language, and that TLDR is really confusing, and seems to contradict what you're saying in the non-TLDR. Can you please rephrase?

English is not my first language so that might explain why . It's hard for me to phrase, I rewrote it a little.

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I am afraid I don't understand the explanation.

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There is a variable called "Number of conquered rooms" which is the number of rooms in the hold you've currently conquered.

When you enter an unconquered room the game does a comparison. It checks the "Number of conquered rooms" you have right now (A) and it checks this value in the save stored as "Room start" in the memory (B).

var A = currentGame.NumberOfConqueredRooms;
var B = GetRoomStartSaveForCurrentRoom().NumberOfConqueredRooms;

if (A >= B){
    ReplaceOldRoomStartSaveWithNewOne();
}

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skell wrote:
There is a variable called "Number of conquered rooms" which is the number of rooms in the hold you've currently conquered.

When you enter an unconquered room the game does a comparison. It checks the "Number of conquered rooms" you have right now (A) and it checks this value in the save stored as "Room start" in the memory (B).

var A = currentGame.NumberOfConqueredRooms;
var B = GetRoomStartSaveForCurrentRoom().NumberOfConqueredRooms;

if (A >= B){
    ReplaceOldRoomStartSaveWithNewOne();
}

???

What is "Number of conquered rooms"?

The number of conquered rooms before I entered the room in question the last time or the number of rooms I have conquered so far until now?

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skell
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Or in other words the number of rooms you've conquered in the save you're currently playing. I am afraid I don't know how to explain it any clearer.

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I think I found one of those rare cases.

See the hold "Dungeon Country".

When I restore The Void Town 2N I have 32 conquered rooms:



Now this room cannot be solved entering from the North.

So I have to restore 2N1W. Unfortunately that would give me (after the restore) 30 conquered rooms so that I can't achieve those 32 rooms in 2N.

And therefore restoring 2N (the room in the picture) always has Beethro entering form the North.
Correct?

The question is what the intention behind this behaviour is.

Wouldn't it be better to always restore the entry point of the last save? That would save a lot of time - at least for optimizers.

Best wishes,

adS

PS

By the way, do you speak German?





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skell
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adS wrote:
The question is what the intention behind this behaviour is.

The reason is probably that storing a save which contains more complete state of the game has more use for a regular player. You'd need to ask whoever made it so for a better reasoning, but the way it works now makes a lot of sense to me. As for optimizing, in such cases I can only suggest you to use the visible move counter and not leave the room after clearing it unless you've beaten your score.

adS wrote:
By the way, do you speak German?

Nope, sorry.

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