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It's not actually as bad as it looks - you also have the very beginning of the fourth spawn cycle with which to spawn extra puffs and kill roaches, since the fourth puff up North has to wait its turn before it can actually kill the brain. If you can separate Beethro from any leftover unbrained roaches, you could even wait extra spawns and generate even more puffs, although of course unbrained roaches are harder to manipulate in this way than brained roaches.

It's not the end of the world if you don't get back to your original position, but it does help.

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I can't manage to kill the 8 roaches with the 8 fluffs AND get back in time for the next spawn...

any tips?

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It's hard to give specific hints here, but:

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It's hard to give specific hints here, but:

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Sorry for the double post,
But after some more trying, I'm gonna ask for a demo (whatever is easy for you)


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This is the type of room where a demo doesn't help much, unless you're going to write down the moves and follow them exactly. There's a lot of chaos in this room, making a move in a slightly different direction or at a different time can cause a puff or two to change targets... but even taking a different path between two points that make the puffs act the same can change the roaches, which will change the puffs, which might kill a different set of roaches, which will change the puffs again. It'd probably be easier to abuse unlimited undo to hammer through if you're having trouble. This is very much a trial and error room.

As for hints,

Your assumption that you need to create 8 puffs, kill 8 roaches, and get back into position to repeat is wrong. This room isn't that neat. I created 8 puffs when I was lucky enough to be in position, otherwise I accepted less. And I certainly didn't kill 8 in the first cycle... they start too far away, I probably killed more in a later cycle to compensate (I can't check right now). Probably never exactly 8 in any cycle though.
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Not sure this warrants a new thread, but how do you even access all the levels including this one to Constructs Warehouse 3?
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unless you're going to write down the moves and follow them exactly.


That was my plan, :blush
Look this is my final room in this level, and I just want to get out of here :D

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Not sure this warrants a new thread, but how do you even access all the levels including this one to Constructs Warehouse 3?


be patient my friend, all will come when you're ready

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Look this is my final room in this level,


All the more reason to savour it. :)

Another hint that occurred to me:

I used roaches to block fluff growth at times. Not necessarily a single one positioned exactly to create 2 puffs, but I know I managed a pair to to block the fluff from growing and produce one puff.
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quote:
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quote:
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Look this is my final room in this level,


All the more reason to savour it. :)

Another hint that occurred to me:

I used roaches to block fluff growth at times. Not necessarily a single one positioned exactly to create 2 puffs, but I know I managed a pair to to block the fluff from growing and produce one puff.


But I'm trying for some hours now, I know you're momentairly not able to give me the demo,
but I just get nowhere. So I realy gonna need that demo :blush

EDIT: got it ;)

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I guess I'm looking for further help than what's here already. My problems arise with the final roach wave, especially when they become unbrained. Thanks.

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I can't really say there's any trick here. If you can find a setup where you kill each roach wave and return to split the puffs every wave, then you're good. If too many roaches are alive after the first wave, then you probably won't make it. I was able to get by with 1 roach alive per wave and when they unbrained, there were few enough for me to get into a position where I can manipulate puffs to them.

If you still can't find a setup, I'll post a demo
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Thanks, a demo would be great. I can't get that many puffs to take out the roaches in time...

EDIT: And of course I get it, one second after requesting help.

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This was a hidious room, I'm glad I've got a demo trough chat, or I wouldn't have seen the second sky :P

EDIT: Congrats of doing it on your own! :thumbsup

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As usual, it's humbling and instructive to watch the
professional demos on CaravelNet after you've stumbled
through a hoard room like this one.

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I'm gonna have to ask for a demo for this room. I tried it for a while, solved the entire level, got stuck here again, waited a couple of days, and I still can't get even close to solving it :(

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I'm gonna have to ask for a demo for this room. I tried it for a while, solved the entire level, got stuck here again, waited a couple of days, and I still can't get even close to solving it :(

Thanks


There's a demo three posts up. Has between downloaded quite a number of times. I guess we're all very thankful to robin :)

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Been replaying TSS and I just worked out a way to get a repeatable pattern that gets rid of all the roaches and lets you return to the starting point for the next cycle. It's still somewhat fiddly but it makes things significantly less random.

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