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kikuchiyo
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icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 6 West (+2)  
Despite the hints there is still something I don't understand about this room.

I can
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But.

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So the question is:
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So the question is:
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Thanks.

The H&S effect strikes again:
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Non-trivial room.
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icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 6 West (+2)  
Hey everyone. I had trouble with this room for the longest time because there was a minor detail that I didn't know about the game's mechanics.

Everyone in the thread seems to already know that detail, so the hints were kind of cryptic to me.

Well, here it is, hope it helps someone in the future:
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It's really very obvious in retrospect, I know.


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quote:
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quote:
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So the question is:
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Still struggling with the last part ..
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Another hint or a demo would be much appreciated... I'm finding these puzzles hard...
thanks
Mashie

11-16-2014 at 09:19 AM
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icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 6 West (+3)  
I'll post explicit hints: this was one of my favorite rooms in the whole game.

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A room with no unnecessary elements.

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Thanks so much. I'm still struggling tho I know most of what you are advising. I think this is the last room of the hold, except secret rooms in this level.... I managed 4 on this level today so thought I could return to this one-- still no luck. I must be missing something obvious...

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A room with no unnecessary elements.

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The crucial thing here is at step 1 above.

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The crucial thing here is at step 1 above.


finally done it! thanks... was letting queen go too far west first time... level complete now...

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Karl Popper's hint doesn't make any sense to me. Step 1 is impossible as described, since the east seep just kill me unless I go about 3 columns to the east to get them arranged east-west along the wall instead of north-south like they start. Or unless I kill them, which obviously won't work either.

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I don't quite understand that hint either. In my solution I:

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Completely different solution I guess.

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I think there are a few. I actually pushed the queen out to the east without her moving west at all.

But I just replicated the process behind Karl's:
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(Response to TripleM written before I saw the post in between, whoops)

That did it for me, thanks. Although I still did need to
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trying to do everything at once was just never going to work for me. It worked once I spent more than one spawn cycle in the north end of the room.

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I'm stuck.

I assume that you have to kill both seep on the west side before trying to get through the corridor, and one on the east side in the process?

And that you have to do the whole thing and reach the south wall before the roach queen can hit the pressure plate on either side, and deal with her latest spawn at the same time?

Which means...

(1) If you send the roach queen westwards:

Assuming all the rest is successful, the queen is now in the southwest corner, backed up against the west wall (7,28). Beethro is on the southern wall, facing west after having dealt with the roach spawn. The two remaining seep are still on the eastern side of the corridor, in the walls (19,24) and (20,24).

And I have no means of driving the queen *northwards*. She is directly west of me: I must step one more row to the south: the only way to make her move northwards is to step on the southeastern pressure plate. Which of course makes a seep step on the arrow...

Alternatively if I send the queen eastwards, I can get her off the southern wall by stepping on the SW pressure plate, but I then can't send her back west again.

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[EDIT] Somehow I managed to get it to work by
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After that it was reasonably doable,
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Almost... I can get it so the seep is at the west part, both seeps in the chambers have been defeated, and all that remains is the queen on the yellow door. Thing is, though... I can't really figure out what comes next. Or even if I did anything right. I can't get past the queen, and that's required. That'd mean killing her. Even if I COULD get past, well, now I have to get past the seep. The only way to hold it back is with a force arrow... on the other side, and so it's impossible to really utilize to any advantage. So it's either get killed by the seep or kill the queen I put on the open door in the first place.

If anyone could just cough up a demo at this point, PLEASE, do so; I'm a visual learner and this and one other room are all that separates me from progress.

EDIT: It's all this room now. Someone, PLEASE send help.

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I'm a little loath to give it to you because this puzzle is genuinely phenomenal, if you can solve it without the demo please try your best to as I feel it loses its magic with a demo.
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