Announcement: Please read the Rules Topic for some general rules and etiquette before using the Hints and Solutions system.


Caravel Forum : DROD Boards : Hints and Solutions : The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West
Page 1 of 2
2
Get Help for a Room Post Reply
Poster Message
bomber50
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 872
Registered: 09-18-2006
IP: Logged
icon The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
A couple assumptions I've made:

Click here to view the secret text

Click here to view the secret text


The order/position I can't get.

Click here to view the secret text

06-28-2014 at 10:57 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
blorx1
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 920
Registered: 07-18-2009
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
This is a hard room, but after finding the right way, I'd say it's one of my favorites on the level.

First off, your assumptions are all correct, which is not surprising. That specific order is pretty tricky to find, so I'll talk a bit about how it needs to be.

First lets look at that last plate behind the yellow door. That one is the most difficult one, obviously. If it weren't there you could just have all the roach queens in order and you'd be fine, but since it isn't, at least one queen needs to be out of order. Unfortunately, this makes the rest of the room very difficult.

Clearly, we need to get roaches to go more or less south every time and then be able to come out of the turn (which will put a space between any out of order roaches) and have them repeat it again. Now, in terms of out of order roaches when moving vertically
Click here to view the secret text


There are two bottlenecks in this room that prevent most orderings from working, the first bend, and the lack of southern room due to the invisibility potion. Let's look at the bend:

EDIT: This hint is mainly for people who are able to get the queens into the chamber in a horizontal line. If you have not figured out how to do this, look at Timo006's hint below.
Click here to view the secret text


____________________________
If you need to think outside of the box, then you didn't build a good enough box.

[Last edited by blorx1 at 08-03-2014 04:09 PM]
06-28-2014 at 11:31 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
NoahT
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 1133
Registered: 06-17-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
I'm having a different problem earlier on, which is:

Click here to view the secret text

-Noah

____________________________
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

My stuff:
Click here to view the secret text

07-01-2014 at 12:27 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
Timo006
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 518
Registered: 07-19-2006
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
It's quite a nice trick, actually.

You have to get the roach queens on one line, but you need obstacles to get roach queens to the outer trapdoors.

Click here to view the secret text


____________________________
Drod Number: 3034; 8th person to see the Second Sky
07-01-2014 at 01:45 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
NoahT
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 1133
Registered: 06-17-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
I've tried that, but then my problem is:

Click here to view the secret text

-Noah

____________________________
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

My stuff:
Click here to view the secret text

07-01-2014 at 11:21 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
bomber50
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 872
Registered: 09-18-2006
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
I don't know if you've figured this out yet, but...
Click here to view the secret text

07-02-2014 at 12:04 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
I've read evreything here, and it seems I have about 120 possibilities to order the queens.

I'm gonna be honest, I love this game, but I don't know that much about movement order,
and I don't feel like trial and error.

I understand we don't want spoiling stuff to soon in a H&S topic,

So my question is, if someone can PM me the correct order of the queens, please

Thanks in advance!

____________________________
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 12:25 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
Dragon Fogel
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 2434
Registered: 06-21-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
Keep in mind what you're trying to do.

Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 12:37 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
You should probably get used to movement order. You pretty much need some understanding to get through this part of the game. It's easy. Lower number move first... and so a lower number will block a higher by where it (the lower) moves to, and a higher number will block a lower by where it (the higher) currently is. Use that to see one turn ahead.

As for this room, there aren't anywhere near 120. With the advice at the end of the second post there are only really two.

Which suggests a really simple trial and error approach (if you can't logic it out from the advice above):

Try them ordered forwards and back... one will work better than the other, then apply the advice...
Click here to view the secret text


This advice works even without the above hint... that's how I did it. Consider the two simple orders, figure out which works better, find out where it fails, adjust the order to compensate, solved! It's a general approach for this sort of thing.

[Last edited by bwross at 07-05-2014 12:42 AM]
07-05-2014 at 12:40 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
I just did:
Click here to view the secret text

none of them worked, I don't get it, it's to hard.
can someone please PM me?

____________________________
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 01:16 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
Click here to view the secret text


And,
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by bwross at 07-05-2014 01:32 AM]
07-05-2014 at 01:27 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
What do I need to do, to get the right order from someone.

PS: And the queens didn't even get to the first PP, no matter what I try.

____________________________
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by robin at 07-05-2014 01:40 AM]
07-05-2014 at 01:40 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
I think you have another problem so that won't help. One of the cases you listed will definitely hit the PP. Remember: the queens do not start in order in their starting positions... you need to click on them to see their numbers.
07-05-2014 at 01:52 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
bwross wrote:
you need to click on them to see their numbers.

I know that.

so than I'm completely lost.

I'm gonna ask for a demo, please

____________________________
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by robin at 07-05-2014 01:58 AM]
07-05-2014 at 01:57 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
Dragon Fogel
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 2434
Registered: 06-21-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 02:19 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
TFMurphy
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 3118
Registered: 06-11-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
More to the point, the fact that you say you're not even getting to the 1st pressure plate suggests you're getting stuck on the *first* part of the puzzle, not the last.

Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 02:29 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
I very glad everybody helps me on this H&S board for years.
I give rankpoints whenever I have them,
and I like it that not everything is given away in spoilers,
but sometimes, people just don't get it,
and when they ask for something specific, than please give it.

I'm stuck, I don't see it, I don't get it.

When a couple of posts above, someone said that one of my combinations should trigger the 1st PP, and I realised it didn't happen,
I got completely stumped.

So please PM me the correct movement order or give me a demo

please, thanks


____________________________
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 02:36 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
TFMurphy
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 3118
Registered: 06-11-2007
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+5)  
I don't have a demo to give you. The only remaining thing I can do is show, via room image, what setup you have to achieve. All the hints have been pointing to this, which you must setup *before* picking up the 2nd potion and becoming visible again:

Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 03:28 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
robin wrote:
bwross wrote:
you need to click on them to see their numbers.

I know that.

I had to ask, it was obvious that something else was very wrong and it was either that or the positioning (which had much more talk about it, so I thought was slightly less likely). It's very easy to assume that they're set up in order and not check, even if you know about checking.
07-05-2014 at 05:41 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
NoahT
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 1133
Registered: 06-17-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+1)  
I'll add this:

Click here to view the secret text

-Noah

____________________________
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

My stuff:
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 07:13 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
Thanks to everybody here who helped me, specially TFMurphy.
I finally did it. (and without a demo ;) )
Whem I post-master the TSS and I stil have rankpoints left,
everyone in this topic who replyed to me wil have some.

again Thanks!!


____________________________
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 09:05 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 842
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+1)  
NoahT wrote:
I'll add this:

Click here to view the secret text


-Noah

Click here to view the secret text


____________________________
Click here to view the secret text

07-05-2014 at 09:06 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
Emojk
Level: Delver
Avatar
Rank Points: 94
Registered: 09-05-2010
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
TFMurphy wrote:
you must setup *before* picking up the 2nd potion and becoming visible again:

That's the part seemingly impossible to me. I've read the hint about using the queens themselves as obstacles, but I don't see how...
07-09-2014 at 11:20 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
NoahT
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 1133
Registered: 06-17-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+3)  
Click here to view the secret text

-Noah

____________________________
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

My stuff:
Click here to view the secret text

07-09-2014 at 12:01 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores This architect's holds Quote Reply
Emojk
Level: Delver
Avatar
Rank Points: 94
Registered: 09-05-2010
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
Got it, thanks!
07-09-2014 at 12:35 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
McLaren0109
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 17
Registered: 05-26-2010
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
Very cool room!
08-03-2014 at 11:40 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
Just beat the room, and it was cool. I wonder if this could be done with other types of monsters.

My tip to future players is:
Click here to view the secret text
If this is too explicit, tell me so, and I will remove it.

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

09-07-2014 at 06:04 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bela123
Level: Roachling
Rank Points: 10
Registered: 09-12-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
abe10 wrote:
Just beat the room, and it was cool. I wonder if this could be done with other types of monsters.

My tip to future players is:
Click here to view the secret text
If this is too explicit, tell me so, and I will remove it.

Despite all the hints here, I always fail at the last pressure plate, can someone post a demo?

11-25-2014 at 10:45 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Insoluble
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 1638
Registered: 09-04-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (+2)  
bela123 wrote:
abe10 wrote:
Just beat the room, and it was cool. I wonder if this could be done with other types of monsters.

My tip to future players is:
Click here to view the secret text
If this is too explicit, tell me so, and I will remove it.

Despite all the hints here, I always fail at the last pressure plate, can someone post a demo?

If you are failing at the last pressure plate and have the roaches ordered as in the TFMurphy's image, then here is what you may be doing wrong.

Click here to view the secret text



____________________________
Links to neat forum tools that I always have trouble finding:
Click here to view the secret text

11-25-2014 at 12:32 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
bela123
Level: Roachling
Rank Points: 10
Registered: 09-12-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West (0)  
Insoluble wrote:
bela123 wrote:
abe10 wrote:
Just beat the room, and it was cool. I wonder if this could be done with other types of monsters.

My tip to future players is:
Click here to view the secret text
If this is too explicit, tell me so, and I will remove it.

Despite all the hints here, I always fail at the last pressure plate, can someone post a demo?

If you are failing at the last pressure plate and have the roaches ordered as in the TFMurphy's image, then here is what you may be doing wrong.

Click here to view the secret text


you are the man!!!
11-25-2014 at 12:50 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Page 1 of 2
2
Get Help for a Room Post Reply
Caravel Forum : DROD Boards : Hints and Solutions : The Second Sky : Mother of All Roaches : 2 South, 1 West
Surf To:


Forum Rules:
Can I post a new topic? No
Can I reply? No
Can I read? Yes
HTML Enabled? No
UBBC Enabled? Yes
Words Filter Enable? No

Contact Us | CaravelGames.com

Powered by: tForum tForumHacks Edition b0.98.8
Originally created by Toan Huynh (Copyright © 2000)
Enhanced by the tForumHacks team and the Caravel team.