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I am currently playing forbidden underpass.

I have restored a room from gentryii grounds and then from forbidden underpass.

Now gentryii grounds has disappeared from the map.

What can O do now?

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06-28-2014 at 08:07 PM
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Because you're on a different save. Maps are tied to the current save, not to your profile. So on your FU save, you haven't been to Gentryii Grounds, so it doesn't show up on the map.

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06-28-2014 at 08:18 PM
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Pinnacle wrote:
Because you're on a different save. Maps are tied to the current save, not to your profile. So on your FU save, you haven't been to Gentryii Grounds, so it doesn't show up on the map.


No, no!

I had been there in that save,

Then I restored a room from Gentryii grounds to try again and solved it,

Then I restored to my latest (progress-wise) room and suddenly Gentryii grounds have gone. They had been on the map before.

This looks like a sever bug.

I have no idea what to do now.

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06-28-2014 at 08:26 PM
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Why would you restore from Forbidden Underpass to Gentryii Grounds anyway? You can just leave FU and map there.


Anyhow, the issue is if you start jumping around with restores, you have no idea when you hit that checkpoint so things become discontinuous. In fact, due to various reasons, restoring to complete a non-secret room in TSS is a bad idea, because of how certain things are unlocked.


EDIT: Actually, only restore to complete rooms in:

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Otherwise, you may have to repeat things.

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hyperme wrote:
Why would you restore from Forbidden Underpass to Gentryii Grounds anyway? You can just leave FU and map there.

What a fabulous advice.
It's always the user's fault, I know.
Listen, I have been in the IS business for 35 years now. Believe me it's never the user's fault.


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Gentryii Grounds can be accessed through The Rooted Hub, if that's still available. If not, you can either restore back, or wait a while...you eventually will be able to get back to it.
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adS wrote:
hyperme wrote:
Why would you restore from Forbidden Underpass to Gentryii Grounds anyway? You can just leave FU and map there.

What a fabulous advice.
It's always the user's fault, I know.
The advice actually was - the legacy restore system works like it works, which is not quite obvious but it can't really be changed to keep it backwards compatible. That's why there is a message displayed when you restore that informs you about potential issues.

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How else could restore work?

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hyperme might not have been especially delicate in saying it, but his point is sound. It's important to remember that Restore is not instant teleportation but time travel. If you go back to the last time you were in a room, anything you did after that isn't done then

If you don't believe the game makes this clear enough to players, and have suggestions on making it clearer, we're listening. :)

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I don't think the above discussion on how restore is actually relevant:

adS wrote: Then I restored to my latest (progress-wise) room and suddenly Gentryii grounds have gone. They had been on the map before.

If adS was mistaken and had restored to an old save, then the above is the answer - but based on that quote, Gentryii grounds disappearing is not related to restoring to an old save - he's already confirmed it used to exist in the restored save.
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I you should not restore optimizing is dead.

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adS wrote:
I you should not restore optimizing is dead.
You can restore to optimize, and then restore back to the furthest save, functionality which is provided in convenient button form. There is no dichotomy between mastering holds and optimizing.

But instead of arguing about how restoring works, perhaps you could click that "furthest save" button and make sure Gentryii Grounds is indeed missing, and then go there via Rooted Hub to confirm that it is cleared and just isn't showing up. And then we can perhaps look into whether there's an actual bug here.

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