bomber50
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I have no idea what I need to do here.

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What direction should I be facing when I start?

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You should start the room facing:



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I am also stuck here, even with the hint.

1. To clear the room I need to kill tar babies #2 and #3.

2. Tar baby #2 is trapped behind trapdoors and cannot be killed directly.
Therefore it must be killed by the mimic.
Hence, the mimic must reach the right side alive.

3. Tar baby #3 must be led out of its trapdoor area by Beethro (and killed).
Hence, Beethro must reach the right side alive.

4. To open the route to tar baby #2 for the mimic, one of the orbs in column 10 must activate and one of the orbs in column 24 must activate.

5. If one of the orbs is activated, its partner must be activated simultaneously or else tar baby #3 will be trapped.

6. If Beethro/Mimic activates an orb in column 10 with his pickaxe, then he will be stuck behind force arrows.
Therefore the orbs in column 10 must be set off with the powder kegs using the safety of the force arrows.
The only possible starting orientations for this to work are W, NW, N, NE, E.
This also means that the orbs in column 10 can only be activated once.

7. Each orb in column 24 can only be safely activated facing south:
This is obvious for striking the orb directly. It is also true for setting off a powder keg as the only safe standing position is on the force arrows, directly north of the powder keg.
The only possible starting orientation to activate both orbs simultaneously is S.

This is a contradiction!

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Ah! Got it.

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Fafnir wrote:

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×Actually, there's a flaw in both 6 and 7 of your proof, and navithmastero's hint is slightly misleading - I think you can solve the room from any starting orientation.

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×You are correct, however, in thinking that you can't safely hit the rightmost orb unless your sword and the mimic's sword are pointing in the same direction at the time.

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×Your mistake is in thinking that your starting orientation is the only thing that can affect the orientation of the mimic's sword relative to Beethro's...

Sorry, but I still don't understand. Could you be a little more explicit about how you can

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Godot23 wrote:
Sorry, but I still don't understand. Could you be a little more explicit about how you can

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×change the orientation of the mimic's sword relative to Beethro?

I haven’t solved the room yet, but (I think) I can nevertheless answer this question:


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Gotcha! Thanks!

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I'm confused by this room, I don't see how you can kill either tar baby without the mimic, and it can only kill one of them.

Both tar babies are at a lower point on the screen than you can get to without getting stuck on trapdoors or being on the trapdoors in the lower-left that don't actually connect to the main area. What am I missing?

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EDIT: And wow, that's the second time today me and rman have had a post clash.

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You can kill the tar baby on the left. You don’t need to go through the trapdoor path on which he is located; you can just lure him out. That is, assuming that you never opened the door next to him, which would indeed get him trapped.

And no, you don’t need to relocate powder kegs here.

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Oh, that's what I was missing, I'd spent so long navigating the powder keg over there that I'd forgotten where the tar baby started the room. Silly me!

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I assume the mimic and Beethro have to face opposite sides for the first set of orbs, and face the same side for the second time. And I assume they have to hit both orbs of both sets at the same time.
If so, I don't see how to change the mimic's orientation again once I get to the middle room...

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But if I don't hit the first orb pair at the same time...



Since there are two arrows near them and not one, I'm guessing it plays into it, but I don't see how.

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I... uh...
I still don't see it, sorry.

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Full spoiler ahead (though this isn't the only solution):



The rest should be fairly trivial.

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Thank you! I don't like to resort to full spoilers, but this time it was necessary...

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bomber50 wrote:
Full spoiler ahead (though this isn't the only solution):

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×Start facing northeast.

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×Hit the orb and the pressure plate.

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×Use the orb/yellow door as a wall to get the mimic one column to the right of you.

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×Use the yellow door as a wall to get the mimic five rows below you.

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×Enter the trapdoors with your sword facing south,ensuring that the mimic is still one column to the right of you.

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×Head to the middle area, and use your pickaxe to stun the mimic. While it is stunned,rotate your sword once. Repeat until you are facing the same direction as the mimic.

The rest should be fairly trivial.

Thank you for you help but how do stun mimic exactly?

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bomber50 wrote:

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×You hit it with your pickaxe with a stunning move.

I'm trying but can't figure out that stunning move. This is perhaps very simple 😩

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Tamsk wrote:

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×Line up the mimic, using the edges of the small area you're in, so that it's two spaces south of you, with room to move south. Have your pickaxe facing south. Move south. Rotate pickaxe. Repeat from start until you're in sync.

(Substitute other direction for "south" if you prefer, but I found that the easiest one to set up.)

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Tamsk wrote:

i do not get it. If I'm facing mimic, mimic is facing me. So I can't touch mimic with my axe - mimic's axe is blocking the way.

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×Line up the mimic, using the edges of the small area you're in, so that it's two spaces south of you, with room to move south. Have your pickaxe facing south. Move south. Rotate pickaxe. Repeat from start until you're in sync.

(Substitute other direction for "south" if you prefer, but I found that the easiest one to set up.)

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balanemate wrote:
i do not get it. If I'm facing mimic, mimic is facing me. So I can't touch mimic with my axe - mimic's axe is blocking the way.

Then you've entered the room with the wrong orientation (pace Fafnir earlier in the thread: I don't see how you can do it starting north). I crossed the first set of trapdoors with the mimic

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Tamsk wrote:
Then you've entered the room with the wrong orientation

oh.. i'll thy the other way, thanks.

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please can someone post a demo? I don't want to solve this room

Thanks in advance