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10-20-2011 at 08:26 AM

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10-20-2011 at 12:36 PM

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Minor note that I think belongs here just now:

For a few reasons (one of them demonstrated here), I've decided to change Archipelago's settings so that you don't have to have CaravelNet-based proof of exploration in order to see the rooms online. This means you can now use the "Insert DROD Room image" feature*, among other things.

From my perspective, the point of the size of the door system around the orb in question is that

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*In spite of single-room levels

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10-20-2011 at 10:02 PM

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I'm impressed at how much work this must have taken to eliminate all the unintended solutions throughout this hold!

OK, now that I know how to access the orb, how do you kill the rattlesnake? You can't stab it, you can't fegundo-blow him up because of the bombs (and the tar), and if you feed the fegundo (and both mimics) to the adder, there's no way to kill it or the final roach.

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10-21-2011 at 05:11 AM

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10-21-2011 at 05:15 AM

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×You can kill rattlesnake with fegundo if you lead it out of yellow door passage.(and after that send fegundo for the last roach)

The problem is, adder needs to be long enough for that or yellow door passage you need to let rattler out closes too early. How long is "long enough"?

It has to grow 4 units. It can eat roach, mimic, mimic, fegundo.

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10-21-2011 at 05:27 AM

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It has to grow 4 units. It can eat roach, mimic, mimic, fegundo.

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10-21-2011 at 06:06 AM

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×Well, if the Fegundo gets eaten, you're stuck. And there doesn't seem to be any other way to increase the Adder's length.

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×There isn't anything else that can depress the plate either. Anything that steps on the plate closes the door permanently. If the Fegundo goes in there, then it can't kill the isolated roach. If you could disarm the Decoy, then monster in there would be unkillable, and Mimics would cause themselves to be killed immediately by rearming the Decoy. And the only Disarm token other than that is locked long before you can get to that pressure plate.

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×So is there any other way you could keep the Adder alive long enough to free the Rattlesnake, even if the Adder is not 6 tiles long?

That's exactly the problem. I don't have any other ideas. :weep

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10-21-2011 at 07:52 AM

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That's exactly the problem. I don't have any other ideas. :weep

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10-21-2011 at 11:48 AM

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×I notice you've finished Advanced Concepts 2. One of its ideas applies here.

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×"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Err... uh...

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10-21-2011 at 04:39 PM

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Yes, you got the solution.

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×You can use two mimics' swords to get them both to the orb.
Smth like this:

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(M - mimic, / and \ - their swords)

Thanks to disarm token near mimics' start position, it's quite easy to set that.

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10-21-2011 at 04:43 PM

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So the free roach was just a red herring. Evil. I'll be posting about the next room I'm sure, seeya soon! :cool

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10-22-2011 at 08:15 PM

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mxvladi wrote:
Yes, you got the solution.

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×You can use two mimics' swords to get them both to the orb.
Smth like this:
   MM
   /\
(M - mimic, / and \ - their swords)

Thanks to disarm token near mimics' start position, it's quite easy to set that.

I get that setup but....
In my best try I get mimic #1 at 20,10, with mimic #2 still in the corridor at columns 23-25...
just need mimic #1 one step below.
By the way, this is my setup:

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   12
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1 = mimic#1, 2 = mimic #2.
Is it correct?

I assume mimic movement order matters...

05-25-2013 at 02:17 PM

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In my best try I get mimic #1 at 20,10, with mimic #2 still in the corridor at columns 23-25...

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×There lies your problem. I needed mimic #2 to help mimic #1 make that final step to the south and reach the orb.

When you brought mimics to 8th row (24,8-25,8), you need to change their formation to this:

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  1\

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This will allow to bring both mimics to 20th column.

05-25-2013 at 04:09 PM

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I can't even get to row 13 without considering the fact that the best position I achieved was like the one in the picture.
Help please :~(

10-13-2014 at 08:40 PM

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OK. No help...Too obvious solution? Please consider that simple does not mean easy, at least for me. And I really... really.. want to finish this awesome hold (although 3 years is too much time: notice my new avatar )

Anyway: 17th finished

10-15-2014 at 04:09 PM

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