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Preliminary findings:

So far I've been setting up situations where on my first move I cross a checkpoint, killing a wraithwing or killing nothing. Through testing, tileset is irrelevant.

In this situation, independant of whether I wait for the Beethro spawning particle effect to finish, on ALTERNATE TRIALS the checkpoint fails to trigger. Also, moving from one checkpoint directly to another checkpoint causes the second one to fail, continuing for all subsequent consecutive checkpoints. Thus far, I haven't been able to otherwise reproduce the checkpoint failing on not the first move, but I'm only five minutes in to testing

If anyone else can reliably reproduce the bug, post in this thread how you do it, so our friendly neighbourhood codemonkeys can patch the problem. I've attached my test hold, with anyone edit enabled.

[Edited by DiMono on 01-04-2004 at 05:08 AM GMT: Forgot to make the hold anyone edit. It is now]

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I can't test right now, so does it work the same way in the editor?

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Yes, the behaviour is consistent between the editor and the main game.

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This happened to me once, and I put it in the Bugs forum, but that was a long time now. I was testing in the real game for Deep Hold level 7, and I'm not sure of the coordinates, but it was the one with open door squares instead of normal floor (and some serpents). Maybe try that one too.

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DiMono wrote:

So far I've been setting up situations where on my first move I cross a checkpoint, killing a wraithwing or killing nothing. Through testing, tileset is irrelevant.

In this situation, independant of whether I wait for the Beethro spawning particle effect to finish, on ALTERNATE TRIALS the checkpoint fails to trigger. Also, moving from one checkpoint directly to another checkpoint causes the second one to fail, continuing for all subsequent consecutive checkpoints.

It seems to me that the code is somthing like:

if (Beethro is on a checkpoint after move && Beethro was not on a checkpoint before move)
        create save;

It is presumably like this so that if you wait on a checkpoint it doesn't save every turn.

It also appears that if Beethro is on a checkpoint and you press 'R' until you are sent back to the start of the room, the game still believes Beethro is on a checkpoint so it doesn't save if he moves directly onto a checkpoint. This could be causing the failure of checkpoints on alternate trials.

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Avon wrote:

DiMono wrote:

So far I've been setting up situations where on my first move I cross a checkpoint, killing a wraithwing or killing nothing. Through testing, tileset is irrelevant.

In this situation, independant of whether I wait for the Beethro spawning particle effect to finish, on ALTERNATE TRIALS the checkpoint fails to trigger. Also, moving from one checkpoint directly to another checkpoint causes the second one to fail, continuing for all subsequent consecutive checkpoints.

It seems to me that the code is somthing like:

if (Beethro is on a checkpoint after move && Beethro was not on a checkpoint before move)
        create save;

It is presumably like this so that if you wait on a checkpoint it doesn't save every turn.

It also appears that if Beethro is on a checkpoint and you press 'R' until you are sent back to the start of the room, the game still believes Beethro is on a checkpoint so it doesn't save if he moves directly onto a checkpoint. This could be causing the failure of checkpoints on alternate trials.

Just had a look again. You're right Avon - if you are on a checkpoint and reset to the start of the room, the game still thinks you are on a checkpoint and will not activate the next one you step on. Only after you have stepped off and onto one does the game become sensitive to stepping on a checkpoint. Well observed!

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Avon wrote:
It seems to me that the code is somthing like:

if (Beethro is on a checkpoint after move && Beethro was not on a checkpoint before move)
        create save;

It is presumably like this so that if you wait on a checkpoint it doesn't save every turn.

You nailed it buddy! This is certainly fixed for 1.7, the jury is still out on whether or not it will be included in the next 1.6 patch.

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Schik wrote:
This is certainly fixed for 1.7, the jury is still out on whether or not it will be included in the next 1.6 patch.

I vote XOR.

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trick wrote:

Schik wrote:
This is certainly fixed for 1.7, the jury is still out on whether or not it will be included in the next 1.6 patch.

I vote XOR.

We had enough of this in the Puzzle Tag thread...

I've noticed something similar with moving from one scroll directly to another when a room change is involved. I noticed it when playing the NewbieTown hold, where there's a scroll at the East border of the room, then if you move East to the next room, and there's a scroll there, it still shows the text from the previous scroll.

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Does this happen for every direction, though, or just East?

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Just tested using the attached hold. This works (fails? occurs) in all directions when switching between rooms, but not for two scrolls within the same room (as evidenced by Once North)

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Sorry to resurrect an old bug thread, but I have an update for the most recent topic of this one (it should probably be split off to its own thread, but I don't have that power... hint hint).

If you enter a room and:

1) you were on a scroll in the room you're leaving, and you're moving on to a scroll in the room you're entering, the old scroll's text is still displayed

2) you were not on a scroll, but now you are, no scroll is displayed. It's not that the scroll appears blank, you're simply not recognized as being on a scroll. There's nothing in that part of the screen

3) you were on a scroll, but now you're not, no scroll is displayed (hint: this is correct )

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DiMono wrote:
Sorry to resurrect an old bug thread, but I have an update for the most recent topic of this one (it should probably be split off to its own thread, but I don't have that power... hint hint).

Are we getting a little too hungry for power, DiMono?

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agaricus5 wrote:

DiMono wrote:
Sorry to resurrect an old bug thread, but I have an update for the most recent topic of this one (it should probably be split off to its own thread, but I don't have that power... hint hint).

Are we getting a little too hungry for power, DiMono?

Actually I was suggesting that some moderator split the post, since I can't. Not that I'd complain, of course...

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