The_Red_Hawk
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I'm starting to replay through Dugan's, and I just saw that, in level 1, the stairs for the exit go right up to the edge of the room. Why can't we do that in the editor?

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The_Red_Hawk wrote:
I'm starting to replay through Dugan's, and I just saw that, in level 1, the stairs for the exit go right up to the edge of the room. Why can't we do that in the editor?

I don't know, but if you look at it in the editor, the edge is marked as an error, so Dugan's Dungeon appears to be an exception to the rule.

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The_Red_Hawk
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Hmmm.....

It's the same at the level 2 exit, too.....

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The_Red_Hawk wrote:
I'm starting to replay through Dugan's, and I just saw that, in level 1, the stairs for the exit go right up to the edge of the room. Why can't we do that in the editor?

DD was created with an entirely different editor, only used by me and Lucas Swineford before 1997 for Webfoot DROD, so you'll find things like that occasionally. Many times in the new editor we don't allow every possible placement, because...

1. Disallowing some placements promotes better level design. For example, it would be annoying to drop the player down the level exit stairs on his first move into the room. Maybe the player wants to explore the level a bit more before making an exit.

2. It takes more time to program, because you must write more code to react to extra possibilities. Mike wrote code to show errors when the perimeter of a room does not match its adjacent neighbors. This code would need to be updated to take into account stairs. The code that places the stairs in the editor might also need to be updated to not draw the south wall of the stairs when it is out of bounds.

Probably #2 was the reason for this one, but I can't honestly remember. In any event, it doesn't seem like you are missing very much by not being able to have stairs on the perimeter.

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The_Red_Hawk
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Well, I think it would look quite a bit better, because otherwise it looks like Beethro just disappears in front of a wall. At the edge of the room, it actually looks like he's going somewhere. Besides, apparently the code has already been done, because you have it.....

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As far as I understand, the problem is that the game can't handle things like an exit from the room below the room with the stairs that heads straight into the stairs. In Dugan's Dungeon, this never came up, but a wide-release editor needs to have more safety mechanisms.

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Also, it is possible to make stairs go all the way to the edge, but it takes a little work. First you'll need to clear the space the exit will be, create the exit at the size you want, select the exit without selecting the walls underneath, and then copy and paste the exit so it touches the edge. The help file should explain selecting, copying, and pasting room elements.

Hope what I said will help you!

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eytanz
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It works sort of the way you'd expect, too - you can walk on the stairways from the room below.

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The_Red_Hawk
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eytanz wrote:
It works sort of the way you'd expect, too - you can walk on the stairways from the room below.

On which level is this possible?

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eytanz
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I created one in the editor to test

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also, on the editor, if you look at level 25 of Dugan's dungeon, you can see the Neather just like any other monster. you can delete him, but you can't place a Neather from the editor. would it be possible to be able to place the Neather and then program the intelligence?

another thing, what happened to the streets of Neatherville that were in webfoot?

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About the 'Neather - see the topic about that on the Development board.

And I don't know exactly why the roads were removed from Webfoot, possibly because it was harder to see distances without the colour difference in squares?

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krammer wrote:
And I don't know exactly why the roads were removed from Webfoot, possibly because it was harder to see distances without the colour difference in squares?

It's probably because the roads are not in the tileset for level 8 and putting them in would have required special coding for the level, so they were removed.

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