NiroZ
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Geiler Hengst wrote:
what is the battle key?

The plus key on the side of the keypad.

Briareos
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Mattcrampy wrote:
I do hope Ed is using the battle key. Then he only has to worry about tactical mistakes.

I dunno, somehow I didn't have much use for it here...

Especially if you're hiding in a corner you have to keep doing QQWW to stay safe, so the battle key's QWQW doesn't help.

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xeipon
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I did finally crack this room. Let me talk about my two
selves.

Self #1: Fast roach technique at 65% effectiveness. Could make slow progress on the room, but every trap door or save point required considerable time. Gave up multiple times. Many, many deaths a few rounds after a mistake -- causing the loss of much work. Finally managed to clear all but two trap doors after many hours. Then learned that one potion was a red herring, and all that work was for nothing. Considerable anger about a deliberately over-the-top brutal room.

Self #2: Fast roach clearing technique at 95% effectiveness. Progress on the room interesting. Never died. Fairly interesting room.

Extra save points could have really, really, really helped self #1.

My Self #2 self could write a nice note defending this room, about it not being that bad. My self #1 self would not like this note at all. Self #1 could not comprehend any defense of this room. Self #2 doesn't understand self #1's problem.

Here's one of the techniques that made all the difference
for me. Self #2 technique.
Start Beeth Beeth Roach Beeth Beeth
RRR.. RRR.. RRR.. .RRR. .RRR. .RR-B
RRR-B RR-B. RR.-B .RR-B .R-B. .R...

Self #1 technique. See how slow this was?
Start Beeth Beeth Roach Beeth Beeth
RRR.. RRR\. RRR\. RRR\. RRR.. RRR\.
RRR-B RRR.B RRR.B .RRRB .RR-B .RR.B



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Briareos
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xeipon wrote:
Here's one of the techniques that made all the difference
for me. Self #2 technique.

Start  Beeth  Beeth  Roach  Beeth  Beeth
RRR..  RRR..  RRR..  .RRR.  .RRR.  .RR-B
RRR-B  RR-B.  RR.-B  .RR-B  .R-B.  .R...

Self #1 technique. See how slow this was?

Start  Beeth  Beeth  Roach  Beeth  Beeth
RRR..  RRR\.  RRR\.  RRR\.  RRR..  RRR\.
RRR-B  RRR.B  RRR.B  .RRRB  .RR-B  .RR.B

I believe you wanted a code tag (or rather two) in there...

And congrats on solving the room. Although I would have stepped west then north in your self#2 technique.

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knightinarmor
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need serious help on this room. after hours of mind numbing repetivness and not getting anywhere. dont understand previous hints

tokyokid
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Well, I think enough has been said, but here's the rundown:

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knightinarmor
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sorry thats no help

bwross
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knightinarmor wrote:
need serious help on this room. after hours of mind numbing repetivness and not getting anywhere. dont understand previous hints

You need to be aggressive, otherwise that's exactly what's going to happen in this room. You can't just sit back and deal with an entire wave of roaches and expect to then move on. Fortunately with a speed potion you don't have to... if you run away from an opponent, you gain ground on them, which is a substantial advantage because you very quickly gain enough turns to turn around to face them.

So what you need to do in this room is efficiently as possible deal with roaches (as close to one per turn as possible, it helps to count "1-2" and work out two move combos where the first move would normally be lethal). Then, when the path to where you need to go next only has a thin stream of only a few roaches coming out of it, break off and charge into them... you should be able to mow them down, get to the trapdoors and turn to a position to deal with the large swarm of roaches that are probably just starting to catch up. Hopefully, you'll have a position at that point where you've minimized the roach queens behind you for when they breed... because you'll probably be making slow progress out (in fact, look at the clock and if you don't have much time before they breed, hold back). You should be able to make slow progress against 4-wide columns coming against you to get back to the intersection and get ready to charge into another alcove.

Oh, and in case this helps, the alcove I drop trapdoors last for is:

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knightinarmor
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knightinarmor wrote:

bwross wrote:

knightinarmor wrote:
need serious help on this room. after hours of mind numbing repetivness and not getting anywhere. dont understand previous hints

You need to be aggressive, otherwise that's exactly what's going to happen in this room. You can't just sit back and deal with an entire wave of roaches and expect to then move on. Fortunately with a speed potion you don't have to... if you run away from an opponent, you gain ground on them, which is a substantial advantage because you very quickly gain enough turns to turn around to face them.

So what you need to do in this room is efficiently as possible deal with roaches (as close to one per turn as possible, it helps to count "1-2" and work out two move combos where the first move would normally be lethal). Then, when the path to where you need to go next only has a thin stream of only a few roaches coming out of it, break off and charge into them... you should be able to mow them down, get to the trapdoors and turn to a position to deal with the large swarm of roaches that are probably just starting to catch up. Hopefully, you'll have a position at that point where you've minimized the roach queens behind you for when they breed... because you'll probably be making slow progress out (in fact, look at the clock and if you don't have much time before they breed, hold back). You should be able to make slow progress against 4-wide columns coming against you to get back to the intersection and get ready to charge into another alcove.

Oh, and in case this helps, the alcove I drop trapdoors last for is:

Click here to view the secret text

×The T-shaped one to the south, right near the entrance... it's the least defensible position because you have two roach queens nearby on directly opposite sides (other alcoves you can take up diagonal facings between the nearby roach queen and the on coming horde). It's probably doable at any time, but I don't like to make my life hard... so I take out the last trapdoor there and then one of the roach queens before they breed.

thankyou will give it a try,just not aggressive enough i guess

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I have been in this room for days now, and haven't even reached the first checkpoint yet. I'm so frustrated, annoyed, bored, fed-up, suicidal, determined to conquer it... take your pick - I've been all of them at various points.

Sorry, not really asking for help - I know what I need to do - just voicing my frustration and hoping the posting effect will work again!

Good luck to everyone else stuck in this room.
Jan

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Songsmith wrote:
I have been in this room for days now, and haven't even reached the first checkpoint yet. I'm so frustrated, annoyed, bored, fed-up, suicidal, determined to conquer it... take your pick - I've been all of them at various points.

Sorry, not really asking for help - I know what I need to do - just voicing my frustration and hoping the posting effect will work again!

Good luck to everyone else stuck in this room.
Jan

This room isn't your typical 'oh, I see the trick now!' room. You complete it through lots of blood, sweat and tears. Lots of blood in particular.

My advice to your would be to, rather than trying to complete the room, muck around a bit so you get the feel of how it works, and watch out for the trap.

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Thanks Niroz. Finally finished it, yay!! (flags, whistles, cheering, etc. )
Maybe it was the posting effect... or maybe just sheer doggedness! But at least it's done. Onwards and upwards (or should that be 'downwards'?)
Jan

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Yeah, this is really a fortitude check more than anything. It's too bad no one has made an ez macro for it yet.

philb
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Ceci n'est pas une gâteau. One says : Ce n'est pas du gâteau. = It's not easy

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There are rooms I have enjoyed which have demanded thought. This room is just awful and pointless. I have dropped the traps at the bottom left and at the top right. I then go down with my back to the entrance and am able to stay in possition without difficulty, but each time I try to go left to drop the traps at the top left, the numbers are overwhelming. I've spent hours on this room and I really don't see the point. Has anyone got a demo just so that I can get out, please ?

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philb wrote:
There are rooms I have enjoyed which have demanded thought. This room is just awful and pointless. I have dropped the traps at the bottom left and at the top right. I then go down with my back to the entrance and am able to stay in possition without difficulty, but each time I try to go left to drop the traps at the top left, the numbers are overwhelming. I've spent hours on this room and I really don't see the point. Has anyone got a demo just so that I can get out, please ?

Attached.

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Thanks very much. That helped. AFter many hours I finally cracked it. there really is no substitute for making every move count and being very patient.

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Okay, I'm stuck at 1 and roaches from 2 and 3 are coming. I have two more trapdoors at 4 and 5. And I'm stuck at 6 and 1. By the time I reach 7 the roaches from 4 kill me. What can I do?

EDIT: I managed to get to the trapdoor 5 but then I get stuck beside the queen unable to kill it. Eventually the pile of roaches get bigger and bigger. Plus I lost speed and don't want to restart the room.

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mxvladi
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First, did you take the speed poiton(I think you did but must make sure)?

If you did, then you can cut those roaches a little.



EDIT: Seeing your edit, I can tell you that there's a little trick in this room.



EDIT AGAIN: And if you're completely stuck, there's victory demo attached somewhere above your post.

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Chaosgamer
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I hate this room. I've been trying for somewhat 15 to 20 hours and at least 3 hours a day.
I'm just going to work on my hold for a wile. How ever I will be checking for very useful hints for my situation.

EDIT: I restarted the room like 7 times! I'm still stuck at around 7 in my last attachment.

EDIT AGAIN:Okay took the SW potion but then got overwhelmed under the queen at 1,17

ANOTHER EDIT: okay, managed to get out but keep on getting overwhelmed before I can reach a corner.I also knew the trick but couldn't get out of 1,20. Well now I can but keep on getting overwhelmed at unsafe spots.

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mxvladi
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Chaosgamer wrote:
ANOTHER EDIT: okay, managed to get out but keep on getting overwhelmed before I can reach a corner.I also knew the trick but couldn't get out of 1,20. Well now I can but keep on getting overwhelmed at unsafe spots.

Well, just keep trying. Remember that it's also possible to cut roaches in 3-tile-wide passages without getting overwhelmed

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3-wide passages, and corners, too.

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Chaosgamer wrote:
I'm just going to work on my hold for a wile. How ever I will be checking for very useful hints for my situation.

Well, like mxvladi wrote - there's a victory demo attached a few posts up; if you're completely stuck, just download and watch it before you go totally nuts or something...

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Chaosgamer
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I finally beat it! thx to all of you!

Rinaldo
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I know this thread is long dormant, and no response is required, but I had to post somewhere (and if not here, where?) my joy at finally conquering this room! I truly was certain that I never never would, for the longest time. Whew!

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I NEED the moves listing!!!!!


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Quote of a quote of a quote...

Briareos wrote:

Chaosgamer wrote:
I'm just going to work on my hold for a wile. How ever I will be checking for very useful hints for my situation.

Well, like mxvladi wrote - there's a victory demo attached a few posts up; if you're completely stuck, just download and watch it before you go totally nuts or something...

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mako
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Room Demo Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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mako
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Do This Room And Gimme my player file back to get Five mod points(First person only)

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Jacob
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I doubt anyone will do that.
But that's still funny.

What is the problem?
You've got lots of hints and a demo. It's not that hard.
When you have a speed potion you can stand in a corner and kill any roaches that come at you (by turning clockwise x2, counterclockwise x2, repeat)

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