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So, just to make certain: What do we do to import our player file and our progress in all holds into TCB? Do we have to import every single hold, then the player file? Vice versa? What about JtRH? If we import now, or start playing without importing, will we be able to merge player progress somehow?
I hope this is clear, and that I'm not being too bothersome. I'm just excited and eager to start.

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You have to import a hold before you can import progress to it. You should export your 2.0 saves now, and when you have imported the relevant holds, import the saves.

As far as JtRH itself, as long as you hold on to your exported saves, you can just re-import them later once JtRH is importable to 3.0. You won't lose progress that way.

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Will copying the .dat's work?

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That would work between installations of 2.0, or between 3.0, but it won't work from 2.0 to 3.0. Even player.dat changed in enough ways to make it an unreliable method.

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so because I have a bit of progress on almost every hold, I have to wait 500 million years whilst exporting all my saves, then download every single hold (again) into TCB, then import my player/saves?

will that be faster than waiting for a patch utility that will convert my 2.0 files to 3.0 files?


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At least you can shift select and download all the holds at the same time so if you have a slow connection you can do it overnight.

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the full process to copy all progress:

export "player" to "silver.player": < 5 min

start up TCB, import player (silver.player) at first screen: < 5 min

download all holds: ~20 minutes (I don't have a slow connection. and I was impressed by the blazing speed a lot of holds downloaded)

import the player again (silver.player) and wait for it to check integrity: ~1 hour

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not quite 500 million years, and parts were much faster than expected... the import saves was slow, but understandably slow in light of how many saves I have.

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note: if you have any holds you are editing, you'll want to export them and import them, as well (or keep using jtrh if you want to finish the hold in a 2.0 compatible manner - though I could be wrong about this parenthetical)


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On a similiar theme, I've already imported my player into TCB and downloaded all the holds. Can I still play holds in JtRH for high score uploads?

I'm playing the actual JtRH hold at the moment and that obviously can't be downloaded off Caravel into TCB, but I'm also thinking of things in JtRH which make life easier (Transparent Tar & Mud, Digital clock with Snake timer) at least until there are versions of these for TCB.

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Thanks for the detailed list, Silver. I ran into some issues when I went to JtRH, so nice to see that avoided.

So, this has retained all my saves and player info and basically all the important stuff! Yay! However, I noticed that the updated Hold Management section (in 'Choose Location') now can categorize the list by in-progress, conquered, etc... - which is pretty neat - however it doesn't appear to notice that I HAVE completed a hold until I open it up and walk through the ending stairs. Am I really going to need to do that manually for everything or is there some additional automatic procedure I'm missing. (No, it doesn't REALLY matter, but we've got that nice listing there, it'd be nice if it was actually going to reflect items from before TCB).

Also, I'm assuming the full TCB is still an independent download/installation. Does that mean I'd have to go through this process again (both the player import-hold download and going through the final stair to get it in the complete list) when I get around to getting that (I've been using the demo so far)

Thanks!

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jmpava wrote:
Thanks for the detailed list, Silver. I ran into some issues when I went to JtRH, so nice to see that avoided.

So, this has retained all my saves and player info and basically all the important stuff! Yay! However, I noticed that the updated Hold Management section (in 'Choose Location') now can categorize the list by in-progress, conquered, etc... - which is pretty neat - however it doesn't appear to notice that I HAVE completed a hold until I open it up and walk through the ending stairs. Am I really going to need to do that manually for everything or is there some additional automatic procedure I'm missing. (No, it doesn't REALLY matter, but we've got that nice listing there, it'd be nice if it was actually going to reflect items from before TCB).

Did you export the player? Or just the player saves?

Also, I'm assuming the full TCB is still an independent download/installation. Does that mean I'd have to go through this process again (both the player import-hold download and going through the final stair to get it in the complete list) when I get around to getting that (I've been using the demo so far)

Thanks!

Yes.

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eytanz wrote:

Also, I'm assuming the full TCB is still an independent download/installation. Does that mean I'd have to go through this process again (both the player import-hold download and going through the final stair to get it in the complete list) when I get around to getting that (I've been using the demo so far)

Thanks!

Yes.

Actually, I think there's a way around it. Don't blame me, though, if it explodes in your face. Export your player file, then replace player.dat from the full with player.dat from the demo. Open it up, then reimport the player. If my understanding of the data storage is correct, it should work.

That said, don't completely trust me. I'm not sure in any way, shape, or form. I strongly recommend backing up your precious files before trying this out.

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No, that won't work - it might work for a hold with no custom art or speech, but TCB has both.

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eytanz wrote:

jmpava wrote:
Thanks for the detailed list, Silver. I ran into some issues when I went to JtRH, so nice to see that avoided.

So, this has retained all my saves and player info and basically all the important stuff! Yay! However, I noticed that the updated Hold Management section (in 'Choose Location') now can categorize the list by in-progress, conquered, etc... - which is pretty neat - however it doesn't appear to notice that I HAVE completed a hold until I open it up and walk through the ending stairs. Am I really going to need to do that manually for everything or is there some additional automatic procedure I'm missing. (No, it doesn't REALLY matter, but we've got that nice listing there, it'd be nice if it was actually going to reflect items from before TCB).

Did you export the player? Or just the player saves?

Hmm... either I misread Silver or he changed it since last night (I'm guessing the former). I exported both my player and saves, then imported the full player, then got all the holds, then imported my saves only. I'm guessing I needed to import the full player again when I did it the second time? (Whoops... that's what I get for however late it was when I did this )

So... ok... that's fine, I can go ahead and import the full player again. Is that going to clobber whatever I did last night in TCB? (if so, no big, I didn't do THAT much...)

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So... ok... that's fine, I can go ahead and import the full player again. Is that going to clobber whatever I did last night in TCB? (if so, no big, I didn't do THAT much...)

Yes, import the full player. It should be totally safe - importing a player that already exists can only add stuff.

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jmpava wrote:
So... ok... that's fine, I can go ahead and import the full player again. Is that going to clobber whatever I did last night in TCB? (if so, no big, I didn't do THAT much...)

Importing only ever adds stuff, so clobbering is not really an option...

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Hah. Shows how many times I've imported player data. At all. Ever. Thanks for the info.

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May I bump this with a related question? TCB came out while I was staying with my parents, and being unable to wait, I bought it and dove right in. Now that I'm back home I find myself with two problems:

How do I get another download link for the full version of TCB? (The one I got sent when I bought it was used up installing it on a computer that's now 3000 miles away...)

Is there any way to import my main player from JTRH, and then add to it the progress the new player I created at my parent's house made on TCB? (Both players are named Remlin.)

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For the first, you will need to contact probably Mike or Erik to get a link sent to you, and for the latter just hit "Export Saves Only"

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Remlin wrote:
May I bump this with a related question? TCB came out while I was staying with my parents, and being unable to wait, I bought it and dove right in. Now that I'm back home I find myself with two problems:

How do I get another download link for the full version of TCB? (The one I got sent when I bought it was used up installing it on a computer that's now 3000 miles away...)

Since you have caravelnet, you might be able to download it from the downloads page on drod.caravelgames.com (I think).

Is there any way to import my main player from JTRH, and then add to it the progress the new player I created at my parent's house made on TCB? (Both players are named Remlin.)

Yes. Just export saves from one of the players, and import them into the other.

Note that I'd recommend exporting the whole JtRH player, importing it into 3.0, and exporting saves from the new player and importing them into the old one. This is because importing saves loses "completed" status for holds and the current position (you need to use the restore screen to continue rather than "continue game"), and the new character just loses that info for one hold (TCB) - it's best if you do this immediately after hitting a checkpoint because then restoring your exact progress from the restore screen will be easiest.

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eytanz wrote:

Remlin wrote:
May I bump this with a related question? TCB came out while I was staying with my parents, and being unable to wait, I bought it and dove right in. Now that I'm back home I find myself with two problems:

How do I get another download link for the full version of TCB? (The one I got sent when I bought it was used up installing it on a computer that's now 3000 miles away...)

Since you have caravelnet, you might be able to download it from the downloads page on drod.caravelgames.com (I think).

I'm not sure that this is the case. I have purchased KDD, JtRH and TCB (all as standalone products), but the downloads page has only ever shown me KDD available as a download. (I do, of course, see all of the patches and whatnot...but I don't see any JtRH full version downloads, or TCB full version downloads.)

But what's the licensing permit? I have two machines, so I assume that I would need a second license if I wanted to install the full version on a second machine. (I have been considering buying a second copy just so I can install it on my Linux box, as I would really like to see all of the styles instead of just the demo style.)

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If the license was per machine, then why would there be different OS of the full version available to CNet members that have purchased the full version once?

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eytanz wrote:
Since you have caravelnet, you might be able to download it from the downloads page on drod.caravelgames.com (I think).

I tried that, but there's nothing for TCB on that page.

Yes. Just export saves from one of the players, and import them into the other.

Thanks, that sounds smart! Unfortunately I only emailed myself a copy of the exported player from the TCB [new] player. Would this work?

Export the player from JTRH, import it into TCB. (Call this guy Remlin1.) Then import the new player into TCB as a different Remlin (Remlin2). Then export Remlin2's saves, delete Remlin2, and import those saves into Remlin1's files?

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Remlin wrote:

eytanz wrote:
Since you have caravelnet, you might be able to download it from the downloads page on drod.caravelgames.com (I think).

I tried that, but there's nothing for TCB on that page.

Oh, ok. You should write Erik or Mike, then.

Yes. Just export saves from one of the players, and import them into the other.

Thanks, that sounds smart! Unfortunately I only emailed myself a copy of the exported player from the TCB [new] player. Would this work?

Export the player from JTRH, import it into TCB. (Call this guy Remlin1.) Then import the new player into TCB as a different Remlin (Remlin2). Then export Remlin2's saves, delete Remlin2, and import those saves into Remlin1's files?

Yes, that should work.

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jbluestein wrote:
I'm not sure that this is the case. I have purchased KDD, JtRH and TCB (all as standalone products), but the downloads page has only ever shown me KDD available as a download. (I do, of course, see all of the patches and whatnot...but I don't see any JtRH full version downloads, or TCB full version downloads.)

Not sure about TCB, but you should definitely have a JtRH full version download. Most likely your purchases weren't connected to your forum ID.

But what's the licensing permit? I have two machines, so I assume that I would need a second license if I wanted to install the full version on a second machine. (I have been considering buying a second copy just so I can install it on my Linux box, as I would really like to see all of the styles instead of just the demo style.)

The rule of thumb is that two people shouldn't be using the program at the same time. If you're the only person playing the game then it's perfectly acceptable to install it on as many machines as you want. It's only if multiple people are playing on multiple machines that you should buy more copies.

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Yeah. One CNet account/person per license.

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The DROD EULA wrote:
1. Limited Use License. Caravel hereby grants, and by installing the
Program you thereby accept, a limited, non-exclusive license and right
to install and use one (1) copy of the Program for your use on a home,
business, or portable computer. Use of the Program's CaravelNet
Internet services is subject to your acceptance of CaravelNet's Terms
of Use Agreement. Caravel reserves the right to update, modify or
change the CaravelNet Terms of Use Agreement at any time.

That's pretty clear to me.

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jbluestein wrote:
I have purchased KDD, JtRH and TCB (all as standalone products), but the downloads page has only ever shown me KDD available as a download.

When you order these, you are sent a CaravelNet activation email. Even if you already have CaravelNet, you should follow this link -- it also registers the purchase of the game to your forum user account. I see your order history, but since you probably haven't kept this activation email for JtRH from way back when, I've gone ahead and registered it and TCB to your account.

Caravel is allowing people to install DROD to more than one of your machines, as long as you treat it as if it were a physical product like a book (i.e. you can't read a book in more than one place at a time, and two people can't both have a copy of a single book entity at a time, etc).

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mrimer wrote:
Caravel is allowing people to install DROD to more than one of your machines, as long as you treat it as if it were a physical product like a book (i.e. you can't read a book in more than one place at a time, and two people can't both have a copy of a single book entity at a time, etc).

Which is why I'm making my mum buy her own copy.

Speaking of buying: is there any way to find out how much shipping costs are for the CD versions?

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Speaking of buying: is there any way to find out how much shipping costs are for the CD versions?

No 100% certain way, but you might try to see how much shipping costs are currently for a JtRH CD for where you live - I doubt it will be much different (though that's not impossible).

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mrimer wrote:
When you order these, you are sent a CaravelNet activation email. Even if you already have CaravelNet, you should follow this link -- it also registers the purchase of the game to your forum user account.

I've now done this, and sure enough TCB is showing up in the downloads section for me. But - is it actually working? In the past (last week) when I used this to get a new download of JTRH it was pretty much instantaneous. This time around I've been waiting five hours to get my email with the download link, and nothing. I've requested download links for both TCB and JTRH, and neither has come. I've checked spam folders.