Schik wrote:
For an illustration of why this is a good thing, look at the Miscellaneous tab on the highscores page. It doesn't do this (yet...?), and it's horribly slow to change pages on any table.
I see. Yeah, even the fastest browsers in my armada are slower when dealing with those pages. In my case, the bottleneck is the bandwidth provided by the server, though; very little time is spending doing the actual rendering. Of course, server resources are likely more important than user (im)patience overall.
My reference point for speedy browsers is more or less "
able to render any reasonable page in an heartbeat"
and "
handles files several mB big with ease"
. ELinks and Dillo are my favourite ones in that department.
This entire forum would be annoying on a browser without JavaScript support.
I'd disagree here. I only encounter mild annoyance on the forum, and I've been running without JavaScript for a few months. The most common problem I have is moderation; everything else works alright. In any case, I'm a good deal more annoyed by PHPBB forums (that don't use JavaScript) than your CaravelNet forum with JavaScript.
Hey, are there browsers without JS support?
There are some. I don't know any light browser with JavaScript support, actually. Lynx, Links and derivatives, w3m or Dillo don't have any JavaScript. ELinks does have *some* JavaScript support, but I haven't seen anything except pop-ups working there yet (the first one being, "
your browser sucks. Perhaps it's time to do an upgrade?"
).
The figure I've read about non-JavaScript support is around 10%, pretty much stable over the years. That includes users that *choose* not to use JavaScript for specific websites, so the actual "
cannot use JavaScript"
figure is a bit lower. Of course, those figures are about as inaccurate as any other.
And how does this not work as well as a vanilla URL?
My heavy browser (namely Firefox, now that Galeon just cannot compete) felt slower with the JavaScript request, though I'm probably biased. Firefox always feels slow with me, so. A more objective annoyance is that the URL displayed does not get updated following a JavaScript request.
Pretty much unimportant things, in other words, especially compared to the added traffic with full redisplays. That, and I'll pick JavaScript that can be worked around over mandatory Flash plug-ins any day of the week.
NiroZ wrote:
Thus, i suggest you make a Javascript not detected page.
Erh, I'm not sure it would be that useful. It should be obvious that JavaScript is used, so you can simply choose to accept that JavaScript. I don't think there are a lot of people without straight JavaScript support here, and that problem can simply be solved by running another browser. Now, if there are some users who *cannot* use a JavaScript browser (remote access and the like), a non-Javascript page could be handy and convenient... but I doubt it's really the case.
[Last edited by Alneyan at 09-27-2006 01:59 PM]