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Author Name:Henri
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Hold Name:Spider Well
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Number of Levels:4
Number of Rooms:21
Number of Monsters:496
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A small, fairly easy, hopefully fun hold containining some unusual scripting and tricks. There are also some slightly more challenging rooms that don't need to be cleared in order to make it through the hold. And yeah, this wasn't a very serious project compared to some earlier/later creations of mine.

Thanks to jbluestein, Banjooie, wallu and Ezlo for testing!
09-22-2006 at 07:59 PM
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I'll get playing straight away.

P.S. YES! First post!

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09-22-2006 at 08:00 PM
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Cool. A new Doom hold! And its easy? I'll have to check this one out. And I just turned on the computer!

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09-22-2006 at 08:12 PM
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An easy Doom hold? Bwah?!? :-O

Shall have to play this one.

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09-22-2006 at 08:20 PM
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An anyone-edit hold by Doom? Must be good.

And no, I can't do the first secret room yet :(

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09-22-2006 at 08:46 PM
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First secret room - you mean the one with the roaches and the seeps in boxes?

It's not that hard, in my opinion - there's one tactic you're not trying.

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09-22-2006 at 09:08 PM
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Lots of fun. My favorite room is Well Bottom: 2S (also possibly the hardest of the non-secret rooms in the hold).

I give this hold an 8 with 5 brains of difficulty.

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09-22-2006 at 09:59 PM
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Mastered. I liked that room too, but I think 2S2E stood out as my favorite. All the rooms were really high quality, but I think that one was just the best.

Nice story, and the "side passages" were well implemented too. Very nice use of spiders, Doom. I gave this a 9 with 4.5 brains of difficulty (I think the queen rooms in the Ice Caverns were pretty tough)

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09-22-2006 at 10:26 PM
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There're some truly stunning abuses-in-a-good-way of scripting. And both 2S and 2S2E are very clever (scripting-free) challenges.

Currently, I'm not convinced that 1S1E is completable, and yes, that's knowing that Chaco has already done so....

[Edit: and, yes, thirty seconds later I've conquered it. Good to know that post-and-solve works outside the H&S board.]

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09-22-2006 at 11:10 PM
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Mastered it! :)

Great little hold, 2s2e had me stumped for a while but apart from that I didn't find any of the rooms particularly difficult.

The only slight gripe that I have is that the only way of finding out the scripting of the guards on the first level was trial and error.

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09-22-2006 at 11:38 PM
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The only slight gripe that I have is that the only way of finding out the scripting of the guards on the first level was trial and error.


If you read the level description, you would find instructions as to what you can and cannot do.

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09-22-2006 at 11:48 PM
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The only slight gripe that I have is that the only way of finding out the scripting of the guards on the first level was trial and error.


If you read the level description, you would find instructions as to what you can and cannot do.
Oh right. :blush

I'm not sure that I've ever stopped to read a DROD level description, why waste time reading when you could be smiting monsters? :)

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09-22-2006 at 11:52 PM
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Why waste time reading when you could be smiting monsters? :)


That's why.

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09-23-2006 at 04:22 AM
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I could argue how I don't like spiders (they're just hard-to-see roaches) and how I don't like the scripting in Well Bottom:1S (which was an easy room anyway), but the fact is Doom has created a very fun hold here which actually plays on the invisiblity aspect of those nasty little spiders.

Great job!
09-27-2006 at 10:18 PM
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I could argue how I don't like spiders (they're just hard-to-see roaches) and how I don't like the scripting in Well Bottom:1S (which was an easy room anyway), but the fact is Doom has created a very fun hold here which actually plays on the invisiblity aspect of those nasty little spiders.
I don't know. You could design interesting rooms that play on the invivibility of spiders, but in these rooms they could really just as well be roaches. They are just annoying. Well Bottom:2S2E relies on movement order in an annoying way, and you have to do it with spiders?

The first level has an awesome, highly original, fun idea an entire hold could have been built around, but it's disappointingly short. The rest is very ordinary. Nothing like BT or Simon's Dungeon. The two rooms in Ice Cavern are too much like a room in Lone Soldier, without the puzzle element of the original. The force arrow in the entrance of the final room irritated me. It served no purpose other than forcing me to upload a trivial score if I want the hold to register as conquered. I actually find Doom's change of heart about trivial rooms surprising, after BT and the recent discussion, and the little statement he made with this hold just detracts further from what is not such a great hold to begin with.

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09-27-2006 at 11:22 PM
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I could argue how I don't like spiders (they're just hard-to-see roaches) and how I don't like the scripting in Well Bottom:1S (which was an easy room anyway), but the fact is Doom has created a very fun hold here which actually plays on the invisiblity aspect of those nasty little spiders.
I don't know. You could design interesting rooms that play on the invivibility of spiders, but in these rooms they could really just as well be roaches. They are just annoying. Well Bottom:2S2E relies on movement order in an annoying way, and you have to do it with spiders?
Hardly. This is probably the room where spiders instead of roaches has the smallest difference. Still, movement order is not an important part of the puzzle, and the main point of spiders instead of roaches isn't to make it more annoying to arrange the blast, but make it harder to spot the small trick.
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The first level has an awesome, highly original, fun idea an entire hold could have been built around, but it's disappointingly short. The rest is very ordinary. Nothing like BT or Simon's Dungeon.
This is more or less the case. The first level is just something small and silly. (And can't really be made into anything hard or very interesting) The last level is also very simple, short, and does something I've not seen in any other hold. I agree that the level is short, but I couldn't see too many ideas that would've made it longer without giving you even more reasons to complain.
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The two rooms in Ice Cavern are too much like a room in Lone Soldier, without the puzzle element of the original.
Lone Soldier, did, indeed have a similar room. Neither of those is a direct copy: One has a decoy, which changes the strategy, and the other one doesn't contain a brain, which makes the whole thing less about horde management skills.
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The force arrow in the entrance of the final room irritated me. It served no purpose other than forcing me to upload a trivial score if I want the hold to register as conquered.
I had just forgotten to mark this one unscorable. No need for such a serious tone.
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I actually find Doom's change of heart about trivial rooms surprising, after BT and the recent discussion, and the little statement he made with this hold just detracts further from what is not such a great hold to begin with.
I'm not sure I get the point. Change of heart about trivial rooms?
09-28-2006 at 05:31 AM
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Well I thought this hold was short and sweet. Exactly what I've been looking for lately.

Anybody else crack the code?

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I'm not sure I get the point. Change of heart about trivial rooms?
Ok, I shouldn't say "trivial". I mean you do seem to have changed your views on what rooms should be marked uninteresting. In BT you marked some rooms that weren't just monsterless entrances. You even marked a room that was posted about in H&S. (With which I agreed. In fact, I reminded you about that room, despite being the one who happened to have the #1 for it.) In this hold you're leaving 2- and 6-move rooms. I don't know who has the #1s, and I don't care. That's not what it's about. I'm only saying that you do seem to have changed your views, for the worse. (Yes, yes, in my opinion.)

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09-28-2006 at 10:53 AM
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Ah, I see what you mean now. I'm marking rooms just as I used to. That is, when I actually remember to mark them.

Which wasn't the case this time. I've now gone through all rooms and set the unscorable ones properly.
09-28-2006 at 11:03 AM
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RoboBob3000 wrote:Anybody else crack the code?


Shhh. :-)
09-28-2006 at 03:20 PM
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I seriously dig the descent level -- I've wanted a DROD-like game with similar gameplay (even before the side-scrolling compilation hold) and all new puzzle elements fitting for the angle -- and you've inspired new images of it in my head!

Two good medium-stumper rooms in the spider level as well... perfect difficulty for me. I appreciate the false leads in one of them too :)
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Lone Soldier, did, indeed have a similar room. Neither of those is a direct copy: One has a decoy, which changes the strategy, and the other one doesn't contain a brain, which makes the whole thing less about horde management skills.
Yeah, both those rooms have me stumped, but I can't post on the Hints & Solutions forum about them. :crazy

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09-29-2006 at 01:16 AM
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Oh, of course. That's because secret rooms are automatically hidden from the room image database.

Since the hold is anyone-edit, it should be fairly safe to reveal a few more on the image list. . ...done!
09-29-2006 at 05:20 AM
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What is the deal with the room in Well Bottom : South 3 ?
Just seems like an empty room.
12-06-2006 at 02:28 AM
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Examine the floor. Can you decipher a message from it?
12-06-2006 at 03:12 AM
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Ah yes. :)
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I cant get 2S! Man, I know it's not required but I would love to solve it. That's in Well Bottom.

I can't figure it out, how to get both the roach in the snake pit and the roach second down on the right.


Look here.

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