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Beethro has to inspect a castle that no body know about! The villagers say they can hear gizmozs and talking inside. Play the game and see what happens!

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It's quite easy to get yourself stuck and have to restart in several spots. There is also at least one place where there is a secret room you must solve to reach other, required, rooms.

This seems to not be a very well put-together hold.

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I'm not sure this one had enough time in Architecture. In fact, I'm not actually sure it had any time at *all* in Architecture, at least not in a bug-killing sense.

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You know you've got an unintended solution when the high scores for the room are "17, 17, 17, 17, 223, 395..." (Which is to say: yes, there's at least one room that could have benefited from some playtesting.)

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...is it me, or is it unconquerable? (i.e. can't get past the maze in the west side of "the empire" because you can't get to 2N1W, which is required)

edit: unless you go to the warp room, in which case you can get to the last level, but you can't "play through" to conquer, nor get the last 3 rooms. sigh.


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bandit1200
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Which all goes to show that when roach strangler announced in architecture that he was publishing his hold, he didn't read my own post, which preceded it.

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Nor did he correct what I noted:


"3. Once you enter kgt:3N1W you cannot backtrack which means you'll need to restore if you haven't completed 2n2w yet. Not good."

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Oh no! I have must of put on the non-edited one sorry guys!

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Hikari wrote:
I'm not sure this one had enough time in Architecture. In fact, I'm not actually sure it had any time at *all* in Architecture, at least not in a bug-killing sense.

Well it is my first hold and I can't make master puzzles or make my hold perfect in one try. And I got my good edited one i'll send it right over!

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Here ya go!

eytanz
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No - don't attach the updated hold file. Go to your profile, choose "my holds", and use the update form found there. Or no-one with caravelnet can use the new version.

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I downloaded the update. apparently, "king goblin's territory" 2N1W is no longer passable to the north. I can restore beyond it, but it's pretty unplayable from a fresh start.

also, did you obtain permission from Erik and/or CaravelGames to use their copyrighted map image in "Slayer's territory" 3E?


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roach strangler
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No I didn't I should delete that!!!

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silver wrote:
I downloaded the update. apparently, "king goblin's territory" 2N1W is no longer passable to the north. I can restore beyond it, but it's pretty unplayable from a fresh start.

if only you had noticed this, too.

the hold is currently unconquerable because you can't even get to the warp room anymore if you start from the beginning.

here's a hint: before you upload your hold, play it through from start to finish. if you can't, don't upload your hold.


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Just to clarify, you mean that this is still a problem after the latest update?

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bdwing
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I have downloaded the latest update and completed the hold. It shows 100% in my list of holds. But I don't remember any warp room.

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silver
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did you start a new, fresh game? I can't get past the third level (in the latest version).

entrance and 1S are empty. in 2N the only exit is N, in 3N, the only exit is SW (back to 2N, where you go W)

in 2N1W, halph opens the 3 doors on the right, and you have a switch to open the 4 doors on the left, but the only orb that opens the north exit is behind the door that blocks the north exit.
so you go west, and conquer that, but all you can do there is return to 2N1W... where you're stuck.

this actually was NOT the case when the hold was originally uploaded, it appeared after the first update and remained after the second.


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My bad.

I thought we were talking about the blue gates not dropping in a later level (they drop now).

In the third level I had to restore past that yellow gate that can't be opened by Halph or from the bottom side by Beethro.



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Sigh.

So, is this going to fixed any time soon?

Stephen4Louise
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Can this hold be finished yet? If not, is there any chance of a fix?

Steve.

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It can be finished.

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eytanz
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Oh, sorry. I just checked my own list and forgot the old problem.

Could someone post a clear description of what needs to be fixed? I'll try to post a corrected version.

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Stephen4Louise
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Problem is described here. In king goblins territory : 2 North, 1 West it is impossible to open the door leading to the northern rooms. I think if Halph's orb as set to open it we can continue from there.

It might be worth holding of on the update for a few days in case anyone knows of any other problems in later levels.

Thanks
Steve.

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I'll try to post a corrected version later today or tomorrow, and people can test it - if it works, we can update the hold on Caravelnet.

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Just a quick note that things got a bit out of hand for me this evening, and tomorrow I'm pretty booked all day, so posting a fixed version will have to wait for Saturday.

If anyone else wants to do so instead, feel free.

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Don't go hard on people with 1st Holds.
Just be supportive and tell mistakes!
Just be easy on them.
Or maybe you might have a room that looks unsolveble but isnt!
And also this hold is fun!
But why did'nt you use a mimic in the mirror at the start?

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Hey, calm down. Chill. Eytan is only doing his job (Well this isn't actually a job but you get the idea.)

Anson wrote:
Don't go hard on people with 1st Holds.

What makes you think we're going hard on you? We treat all architects equally, and every hold has a chance to make the big time. Just put a little more effort in next time.

Anson wrote:
Just be supportive and tell mistakes!

They've pointed out mistakes and they're being supportive by fixing them for you.

Anson wrote:
Just be easy on them.

Again, every hold is equal in terms of possibilities available, but having a first hold also gives you a chance too, so in that sense we are 'easy on them.'

Anson wrote:
Or maybe you might have a room that looks unsolveble but isnt!

I haven't played this hold yet, but I imagine that some rooms were impossible, so in that sense they looked unsolvable and were!

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And also this hold is fun!

Again, I can't really comment, but you should remember that not everyone will see your hold as you do. I honestly thought King Pilchard VIII's Dungeon was boring when I released it, but I was clearly in a minority.

Anson wrote:
But why didn't you use a mimic in the mirror at the start?

Obviously they found an alternate solution that doesn't require the mimic.

If you want to continue this argument, let's do so via PM.

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In this case, all the rooms were solvable, but there was a door with orb attached which kept people from getting past a room. This is provable, not mere speculation.
No one slighted the author for it, except that it went for many months unfixed - so eytanz is fixing it.


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Thanks for pointing that out to me. Like I said, I haven't played it, so I can only go by the posts I read. Admittedly, I only just noticed this was by roach strangler and not Anson, but surely the same points are still valid, right?

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Ok - corrected version attached. If someone can test this quickly to see that:

A - It's really corrected.

and

B - It still counts as the same hold ID, and everything else

That'd be great.

Edit: attachment removed so as not to confuse people in the future.

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