wiseoldman
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Not sure I am doing this hole right. I have only 5 queens left in the lower center, (15,29), (15,25), (15,21), (17,22) and (19,18). But there are too many roaches, 16 I believe, being hatched to get through the opening to either the queen at (15,25) or (15,29). So, what have I done wrong and what are some suggestions to "break through"? I can back up to (7,25) and kill the spanned roaches there but by that time it is spanning time again and I am right back where I started. Oh, I can manage to kill one roach at (15,24) but that doesn't seem to make any difference.

It seems that setting the "fuse" first and then working my way to the top left exit would be the thing to do ... but is there time to do this?

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Oneiromancer
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Yes, you pretty much have to light the fuse and make a run for the safe spot. It is possible, although if you can kill off one roach queen first, it might help. But in general it's a good lesson in killing brained roaches efficiently.

Game on,

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Kevin_P86
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It took me a few tries, but once I finally got it I had several moves to spare before the bombs exploded - so it's not necessary to be all that efficient.

As a side note, part of the challenge for me was to end up on the trapdoor on the right move, and not before (if I got there before, I'd have to move off to avoid getting killed by the swarm of roaches).

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wiseoldman
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Hum, so in the position I am in the attached graphic it is possible to reach to NW portion before the bombs go off? I did kill the two queens at (18,5) and (24,7). How can I get there when there are 14 roaches ahead of me and only 7 ticks left on the clock before another batch are spanned and block my way to the NW? Or is there some safe spot RATHER than heading to the NW?

I do remember one time that I actually got to the NW chamber but that was when I didn't set the fuse! That is, I had plenty of time to work down to the Y split before another batch spanned.

Man, I don't think I will get through this one

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Oneiromancer
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Well, it's hard to really give general advice on this room. JtRH is a little quick in throwing brains at the player...KDD was a little kinder in that respect. Which actually isn't that bad advice...you might be interested in taking a break from JtRH and playing through KDD2.0 (the Smitemaster's Selection) now that you have the full CaravelNet. You will be able to test all the knowledge you've gotten from JtRH, and get a lot more practice in other methods. There's no reason you can't switch back and forth between multiple holds, and KDD is really the best one for new players to play, besides JtRH.

Otherwise, I might suggest asking for a demo on this room, because it just requires efficiency in killing brained hordes. Also note that moving back and forth without swinging your sword is sometimes more efficient, it just depends on the situation.

Game on,

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wiseoldman
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Ok, you nice kind-hearted players - can you post a demo for this room to get me started.

I know it must be possible to ignite the fuse and still make it to the NW but, like the movies, it seems "Mission Impossible"

And what do you mean by "... KDD2.0 (the Smitemaster's Selection) now that you have the full CaravelNet."? Is some other game of this type available for members only? If so where and how much?

jbluestein
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King Dugan's Dungeon 2.0 is the newest version of the original DROD hold. If you just bought a CaravelNet membership, you have the ability to download holds from CaravelNet, including KDD2.0 (and also including Perfection, The Choice, Beethro and the Secret Society, and Halph Has a Bad Day).

As for the room...well, I don't have a good demo, but I can assure you that it is possible to get into that little alcove and take out all the queens you can reach. This makes the matter of getting to the end after triggering the fuse much easier. The key, once again, is to back up to a point where you can be killing a roach with every move.

Some other kind soul may oblige with a demo, but I suspect you'll be able to do it without one.


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Krissan
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In my extremely non-optimized solution of this room, I killed the following queens before lightning the fuse:



Edit: Just redid the room. Here's the "easy" way to do it:



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wiseoldman
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Ok, I figured it out. You DON'T LIGHT THE FUSE in the beginning!!! You kill the 1st 2 queens you meet. Then move down and get to the queen at the SW. Then move to the (1,1) queen (could be in the other order) and kill it. then move back down to the queens near 15,25 and get rid of them.

THEN YOU WILL HAVE TIME to return to the fuse, start it, and fight your way back to the exit through 1,1.

Here all the time I assumed you had to light the fuse initially but you can't do that.

So room cleared .....

Kevin_P86
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That'd likely work as well - but it is certainly possible to beat it lighting the fuse right away. Something like the giant mass of 131 move demos available from Caravel once you've beaten the room

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alexis_kosh
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Can someone please help me and post a demo?

Blondbeard
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Sure thing!

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Blondbeard wrote:
Sure thing!

I'm following your demo, but I swear I must have either a shorter fuse or faster-spawning roachqueens!
This is what happens when I try to follow your demo!

Looks like I'm going to have to do things the hard way and get those queens before I light that touchpaper...

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Lamkin
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DCLeadboot wrote:

I'm following [Blondbeard's] demo, but I swear I must have either a shorter fuse or faster-spawning roachqueens!

Seems likely it's because you had one more roach queen to deal with (at (17,22)) than Blondbeard had.